A Word About our Dealers
October 5th, 2025 at 3:04:01 PM
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Just played locally for a couple of hours. Got my butt kicked but finally ended up about $1200 with a Dealer $150 tip.
I was cashing out at the cage behind a clown who really aggravated me and I wanted to share the experience.
Background: I play "a lot". If I totally sucked, I'd be homeless; of course, that could eventually happen.
I have many Dealers who are friends and I can tell you, without reservation, that the good ones work their butts off for minimum wage and have to put up with a lot of BS from ignorant Players. When folks are winning, the Dealers are great; when they are losing, the Dealer's suck. The thing is, from the Dealers' perspective, nothing ever changes: they are always just deliverying the 🤬 cards the machine gives them. They are literally, "the Messenger".
Any hoo: today's drama revolved around a guy who'd apparently hit a slot jackpot that resulted in a "hand pay". That means he was above the $1250 threshold for IRS reporting so a casino employee had to get involved with paying out the jackpot. After the payout was resolved, he was notified that the casino was deducting $150 from his because he'd recently been "over paid" on a hand at a table game at at a sister casino.
Over payments happen ALL OF THE TIME. Dealers are human and they make mistakes. Eventually, in a perfect World, the cameras and the machines will level everything. In an even more perfect World, the Player who is being overpaid will tell the Dealer of the error. However, that happens less frequently than one might hope and, as "that guy" who always lets the Dealer know when they make a mistake, it's not the best way to make friends in a casino.
Why am I ranting about this? Because, in my book, accepting an overpayment is a) cheating, and b) can result in a Dealer being disciplined.
Sure, the casino is always going to make money - that's the concept of "House Edge". You/We will not win in the long run. It's literally statistically impossible. However, when the House loses, if it's because the Dealer "screwed" up, the House will end up with its "pound of flesh". The Dealer will pay the price.
Back to the jerk today: in all of his rantings about how unfair the situation was, he never challenged that he'd been overpaid. In fact, when I asked him if he'd been overpaid, he ended up with a weird form of amnesia that included the phrase "shouldn't matter anyway"
Thoughts, anyone?
I was cashing out at the cage behind a clown who really aggravated me and I wanted to share the experience.
Background: I play "a lot". If I totally sucked, I'd be homeless; of course, that could eventually happen.
I have many Dealers who are friends and I can tell you, without reservation, that the good ones work their butts off for minimum wage and have to put up with a lot of BS from ignorant Players. When folks are winning, the Dealers are great; when they are losing, the Dealer's suck. The thing is, from the Dealers' perspective, nothing ever changes: they are always just deliverying the 🤬 cards the machine gives them. They are literally, "the Messenger".
Any hoo: today's drama revolved around a guy who'd apparently hit a slot jackpot that resulted in a "hand pay". That means he was above the $1250 threshold for IRS reporting so a casino employee had to get involved with paying out the jackpot. After the payout was resolved, he was notified that the casino was deducting $150 from his because he'd recently been "over paid" on a hand at a table game at at a sister casino.
Over payments happen ALL OF THE TIME. Dealers are human and they make mistakes. Eventually, in a perfect World, the cameras and the machines will level everything. In an even more perfect World, the Player who is being overpaid will tell the Dealer of the error. However, that happens less frequently than one might hope and, as "that guy" who always lets the Dealer know when they make a mistake, it's not the best way to make friends in a casino.
Why am I ranting about this? Because, in my book, accepting an overpayment is a) cheating, and b) can result in a Dealer being disciplined.
Sure, the casino is always going to make money - that's the concept of "House Edge". You/We will not win in the long run. It's literally statistically impossible. However, when the House loses, if it's because the Dealer "screwed" up, the House will end up with its "pound of flesh". The Dealer will pay the price.
Back to the jerk today: in all of his rantings about how unfair the situation was, he never challenged that he'd been overpaid. In fact, when I asked him if he'd been overpaid, he ended up with a weird form of amnesia that included the phrase "shouldn't matter anyway"
Thoughts, anyone?
October 5th, 2025 at 4:28:22 PM
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The dealer has a job to do. His supervisor's job is to see the dealer does their job right. Casinos have several layers of protection for their games. I am not one of them. I don't try to cheat the casino but if their employees don't do their job, it isn't my place to correct them.
If I see someone cheating, it isn't my job to report the incident to the casino.
Your thoughts on this matter may differ. Do what makes you comfortable.
In your example- the dealer didn't pay for the mistake. The casino tracked down the person who recieved the pay and got it back.
The dealer screwed up and mishandled the casino's money- why shouldn't he be disciplined? When you do your job well, you get rewarded. The opposite should be just as accurate.
If I see someone cheating, it isn't my job to report the incident to the casino.
Your thoughts on this matter may differ. Do what makes you comfortable.
In your example- the dealer didn't pay for the mistake. The casino tracked down the person who recieved the pay and got it back.
The dealer screwed up and mishandled the casino's money- why shouldn't he be disciplined? When you do your job well, you get rewarded. The opposite should be just as accurate.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
October 5th, 2025 at 4:41:26 PM
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“I don't try to cheat the casino but if their employees don't do their job, it isn't my place to correct them.”
Two scenarios. What do you do?
1. You have “Two Pairs”. The Dealer pays you for “3 of a Kind”.
2. You have “3 of a Kind”. The Dealer pays you for “Two Pairs”.
In both cases, do you stand by your principles and not
“correct them”? 🤷♂️
Two scenarios. What do you do?
1. You have “Two Pairs”. The Dealer pays you for “3 of a Kind”.
2. You have “3 of a Kind”. The Dealer pays you for “Two Pairs”.
In both cases, do you stand by your principles and not
“correct them”? 🤷♂️
October 5th, 2025 at 5:08:03 PM
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Quote: BigSlick
Why am I ranting about this? Because, in my book, accepting an overpayment is a) cheating, and b) can result in a Dealer being disciplined.
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That seems a perfectly valid viewpoint, so long as the house is at least as vigorous and enthusiastic about discovering and correcting errors made in their favor.
May the cards fall in your favor.
October 5th, 2025 at 5:45:32 PM
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I will let a dealer know he made a mistake in my favor and to correct it, only in certain circumstances.
* i need to be instantly sure I saw a mistake. The game often moves on quickly
* I won't say anything if the mistake benefits other players besides me, such as at UTH and the dealer doesn't see he has a straight that beats everyone
* what if the dealer signals that he thinks I am calling him out and making him look bad in front of his boss? Evidently not worried about the eye in the sky, he can be sure I'm not saying any more about mistakes favoring me
* i need to be instantly sure I saw a mistake. The game often moves on quickly
* I won't say anything if the mistake benefits other players besides me, such as at UTH and the dealer doesn't see he has a straight that beats everyone
* what if the dealer signals that he thinks I am calling him out and making him look bad in front of his boss? Evidently not worried about the eye in the sky, he can be sure I'm not saying any more about mistakes favoring me
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October 5th, 2025 at 6:14:27 PM
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Quote: BigSlick“I don't try to cheat the casino but if their employees don't do their job, it isn't my place to correct them.”
Two scenarios. What do you do?
1. You have “Two Pairs”. The Dealer pays you for “3 of a Kind”.
2. You have “3 of a Kind”. The Dealer pays you for “Two Pairs”.
In both cases, do you stand by your principles and not
“correct them”? 🤷♂️
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I correct all of the the errors he makes that are not in my favor, and none of the errors he makes in my favor.
In fact, I intentionally try to trick the dealer into making errors in my favor. Do I care about the dealer getting in trouble? Sure I do- exactly as much as that dealer and his employer care about me and if I am getting myself in trouble with gambling. Their job is to take my money. My job is to take their money. If I am better at my job than they are at theirs, that is not my problem.
October 5th, 2025 at 6:21:28 PM
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Quote: BigSlick“I don't try to cheat the casino but if their employees don't do their job, it isn't my place to correct them.”
Two scenarios. What do you do?
1. You have “Two Pairs”. The Dealer pays you for “3 of a Kind”.
2. You have “3 of a Kind”. The Dealer pays you for “Two Pairs”.
In both cases, do you stand by your principles and not
“correct them”? 🤷♂️
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I don't allow anyone to cheat me. If the dealer short-paid me by mistake, I'll correct him.
It isn't principles. If I order a meal and it is skimpy and undersized, I'll complain. If I receive an extra-large portion, I don't volunteer to pay more.
You asked, I answered. It's not a debate.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
October 6th, 2025 at 12:47:52 AM
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PaiGowDan would be all over this thread.
We were once discussing it, or maybe it was after playing together, and the dealer over paid me.
I told him there are two schools of thought in my head.
1- The action was too fast and I’m not really sure.
Dan: Really? C’mon….
2- What’s the difference? I’m just gonna lose it back.
Dan: So that’s your plan? To lose?
His second argument, kinda hurt. So now I try to make sure that the payouts are always correct.
I still miss Dan. 😢
We were once discussing it, or maybe it was after playing together, and the dealer over paid me.
I told him there are two schools of thought in my head.
1- The action was too fast and I’m not really sure.
Dan: Really? C’mon….
2- What’s the difference? I’m just gonna lose it back.
Dan: So that’s your plan? To lose?
His second argument, kinda hurt. So now I try to make sure that the payouts are always correct.
I still miss Dan. 😢
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