Shuffle Procedure
Quote: Rovert22Ive noticed that most casinos riffle/shuffle the cards before putting them back in the shuffle machine after every hand on MS/UTH. What is the benefit of doing that? Shouldnt they just put the cards in the machine and let the machine shuffle them? Thanks.
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im like 99% certain you can thank phil ivey for that as ive only seen these procedures after his debacle...
aka edge sorting is the reason
there is also a shuffler that specifically "fights" against edge sorting which is called the shark trap i think but they are probably up against an uphill battle with shufflemaster im guessing
Quote: heatmapQuote: Rovert22Ive noticed that most casinos riffle/shuffle the cards before putting them back in the shuffle machine after every hand on MS/UTH. What is the benefit of doing that? Shouldnt they just put the cards in the machine and let the machine shuffle them? Thanks.
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im like 99% certain you can thank phil ivey for that as ive only seen these procedures after his debacle...
aka edge sorting is the reason
The procedure of riffling long predates Phil Ivey, but he's the reason why the riffle often has a "box", or a 90-degree rotation, added to it.
I think it may be for appearance's sake more than anything. If the dealer just drops the cards in with no interference, leaving them at the mercy of the shuffler, players start to get suspicious if they're losing every hand. Add a little bit of human randomness to the cards, and it's harder to blame the shuffler (though many will do it anyway.)
You mean a 180° rotation. 🤪Quote: DeucekiesThe procedure of riffling long predates Phil Ivey, but he's the reason why the riffle often has a "box", or a 90-degree rotation, added to it.
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Another reason MIGHT be shuffle tracking, which is normally an AP trick for shoe games.
Are you saying that its not a ShuffleMaster product? Other brands DO find their way onto casino floors.Quote: heatmapthere is also a shuffler that specifically "fights" against edge sorting which is called the shark trap i think but they are probably up against an uphill battle with shufflemaster im guessing
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Also, ShuffleMaster DOES have a multi deck shuffler that does a turn. I saw it at their G2E booth, in operation, with the side panels removed. I think that was in 2019.
Quote: DJTeddyBearYou mean a 180° rotation. 🤪Quote: DeucekiesThe procedure of riffling long predates Phil Ivey, but he's the reason why the riffle often has a "box", or a 90-degree rotation, added to it.
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Good catch. Yes I do. 😊
Quote: DJTeddyBearAre you saying that its not a ShuffleMaster product? Other brands DO find their way onto casino floors.Quote: heatmapthere is also a shuffler that specifically "fights" against edge sorting which is called the shark trap i think but they are probably up against an uphill battle with shufflemaster im guessing
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Also, ShuffleMaster DOES have a multi deck shuffler that does a turn. I saw it at their G2E booth, in operation, with the side panels removed. I think that was in 2019.
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AFAIK, Shark Trap is not under the LnW umbrella.
https://sharktrap.com/security/
I don't recall hearing anything about their machine doing a "kill".
I seem to recall a different 'new' table top single deck shuffler that included that feature. All I remember is that it wasn't an MD-X (or other Shuffle Master) and it was possibly 'champagne' in color.
I remember reading about some fancy true random shuffler that isolated the cards and then generated a random number. It picked the card with that number and kicked it out of the deck. No idea if anything came of it.
Quote: heatmapQuote: Rovert22Ive noticed that most casinos riffle/shuffle the cards before putting them back in the shuffle machine after every hand on MS/UTH. What is the benefit of doing that? Shouldnt they just put the cards in the machine and let the machine shuffle them? Thanks.
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im like 99% certain you can thank phil ivey for that as ive only seen these procedures after his debacle...
aka edge sorting is the reason
there is also a shuffler that specifically "fights" against edge sorting which is called the shark trap i think but they are probably up against an uphill battle with shufflemaster im guessing
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Phil Ivey's edge sorting case had a significant impact on casino procedures, leading to measures aimed at preventing edge sorting and related advantage play techniques. Casinos have implemented stricter card inspection procedures and introduced specialized shufflers like the "Shark Trap" to minimize the possibility of players gaining an unfair advantage. This ongoing cat-and-mouse game between casinos and advantage players continues to evolve, with the goal of maintaining the fairness and integrity of casino games.
