ntaylor96
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January 4th, 2023 at 12:54:50 PM permalink
Hello,
I have a question if anyone knows regarding a 3-card poker game that my local card room offers in Sacramento, CA. It has normal rules for everything, except the dealer shows the player one of their 3 cards before the player decides to play or fold. I saw a few places where usually when this is the variation, the cardroom might take a 5% fee, and if the dealer does not qualify, if you play the hand, you still need to beat the dealer's hand. This isn't the case here as I played and made sure. At this cardroom, they show a card, and if you play, and they don't qualify, you automatically win your ante bet still. I am shocked that this could actually be a positive player-edge game. But I know there's no way they would offer it if it was. Can someone tell me if this is actually a positive player edge game? 5$ mins, everything else is the same as normal 3-card poker except they literally show you a card, take no fee, and you win your ante if the dealer doesn't qualify. Also, what would the strategy be? If the dealer is showing anything worse than a queen, wouldn't I automatically play, hoping they dont qualify?
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January 4th, 2023 at 3:44:48 PM permalink
Quote: ntaylor96

Hello,
I have a question if anyone knows regarding a 3-card poker game that my local card room offers in Sacramento, CA. It has normal rules for everything, except the dealer shows the player one of their 3 cards before the player decides to play or fold. I saw a few places where usually when this is the variation, the cardroom might take a 5% fee, and if the dealer does not qualify, if you play the hand, you still need to beat the dealer's hand. This isn't the case here as I played and made sure. At this cardroom, they show a card, and if you play, and they don't qualify, you automatically win your ante bet still. I am shocked that this could actually be a positive player-edge game. But I know there's no way they would offer it if it was. Can someone tell me if this is actually a positive player edge game? 5$ mins, everything else is the same as normal 3-card poker except they literally show you a card, take no fee, and you win your ante if the dealer doesn't qualify. Also, what would the strategy be? If the dealer is showing anything worse than a queen, wouldn't I automatically play, hoping they dont qualify?
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ntaylor96
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January 4th, 2023 at 3:47:49 PM permalink
Oops!
Sorry about that. I am new today and did not know. I won't do that again. Thanks.
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February 2nd, 2023 at 9:20:30 AM permalink
no Ante bonus right?
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February 2nd, 2023 at 12:03:57 PM permalink
There's been previous discussions over a similar game except you need to beat the Dealer to receive a payout on the Ante. Also there are no bonus payouts on the Ante/Raise. The strategy for this is given at https://wizardofodds.com/games/face-up-three-card-poker/ . The effect of having to beat the dealer means you don't play low hands, typically you need to beat "up-card with a 9".

If you have found a game where the Ante pays even though you don't beat the Dealer when they don't qualify, then that might be an interesting feature. I haven't checked but can imagine you might just play everything!

Edited to add a small investigation where the Dealer has Jc showing.
If you get paid on any Dealer Not Qualify then this is v1 - you're better off calling.
If the Ante always plays (i.e. you win and you can lose the Ante part) - v2 - you fold J65 (I've not looked at having two matching suits)
If the Ante can win but can't lose (i.e. it doesn't get paid) then v3 matches the wizard's strategy.
P: Js 9h 6d D: Jc V: 100805 Win2: 0 WinD: 335 Tie: 8 Lose2: 662 LoseD: 123 EVv1: -0.767730496 EVv2: -0.985815603 EVv3: -0.876773050
P: Js 9h 5d D: Jc V: 100804 Win2: 0 WinD: 324 Tie: 8 Lose2: 662 LoseD: 134 EVv1: -0.767730496 EVv2: -1.005319149 EVv3: -0.886524823
...
P: Js 8h 3d D: Jc V: 100702 Win2: 0 WinD: 216 Tie: 8 Lose2: 666 LoseD: 238 EVv1: -0.778368794 EVv2: -1.200354610 EVv3: -0.989361702
P: Js 8h 2d D: Jc V: 100701 Win2: 0 WinD: 205 Tie: 8 Lose2: 666 LoseD: 249 EVv1: -0.778368794 EVv2: -1.219858156 EVv3: -0.999113475
P: Js 7c 6c D: Jc V: 100605 Win2: 0 WinD: 186 Tie: 9 Lose2: 651 LoseD: 282 EVv1: -0.739361702 EVv2: -1.239361702 EVv3: -0.989361702
P: Js 7h 6d D: Jc V: 100605 Win2: 0 WinD: 178 Tie: 8 Lose2: 666 LoseD: 276 EVv1: -0.778368794 EVv2: -1.267730496 EVv3: -1.023049645
P: Js 7h 5d D: Jc V: 100604 Win2: 0 WinD: 167 Tie: 8 Lose2: 666 LoseD: 287 EVv1: -0.778368794 EVv2: -1.287234043 EVv3: -1.032801418
P: Js 7h 4d D: Jc V: 100603 Win2: 0 WinD: 156 Tie: 8 Lose2: 666 LoseD: 298 EVv1: -0.778368794 EVv2: -1.306737589 EVv3: -1.042553191
Last edited by: charliepatrick on Feb 2, 2023
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