Question about Baccarat

Hey, everyone! I have a question that I wanted to make sure I understood correct. What is the difference between the Egalite Bets in Baccarat (wizard of odds dot com /games/baccarat/side-bets/egalite/ ) and the Super Tie bets (go to the bottom -> wizard of odds dot com /games/super-baccarat/ ). Are the super tie bets in Baccarat only for the non-commission mode? (Super 6 Baccarat or ? ..) Thanks in advance.

Links:
https://wizardofodds.com/games/baccarat/side-bets/egalite/
https://wizardofodds.com/games/super-baccarat/

Since nobody else is jumping in... my very simple explanation.

The egalite bets win on a certain tie.
The super tie bets win on a certain tie.
They are similar in this regard.

The egalite bets generally pay more than the super tie bets for comparable frequency events. ("They are better bets" or "you can expect to lose less quickly" or "the house edge is lower".)

You will probably not find both sets of bets offered at the same table. Check that the paytable is what you expect before playing.

Best of luck.

Hello Dieter

I have to write a mathematical text about baccarat and its odds. I found multiple baccarat calculators but none of them showed the formula they used.
My question is: What is the formula for calculating the odds for winning, losing and tie in baccarat and how do you calculate the combinations?

Thank you in advance

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Hello Dieter

I have to write a mathematical text about baccarat and its odds. I found multiple baccarat calculators but none of them showed the formula they used.
My question is: What is the formula for calculating the odds for winning, losing and tie in baccarat and how do you calculate the combinations?

Thank you in advance
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I do not keep a combinatoricist on staff, and I certainly am not one.

I believe you would need to first define the initial hand values and combine them with each possible draw according to the drawing rules, then compare the hand values. You will likely require the modulo remainder.

Whether you do this with a theoretical infinite deck or a practical deck and how you might handle effects of removal is likely for you to decide. Unless you are calculating for exotic side bets, it is probably reasonable to simplify the deck to 10 values with an abundance of zero value cards, rather than considering 52 separate types of cards.

Welcome to the forum.
Best of luck with your project.

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Hello Dieter

I have to write a mathematical text about baccarat and its odds. I found multiple baccarat calculators but none of them showed the formula they used.
My question is: What is the formula for calculating the odds for winning, losing and tie in baccarat and how do you calculate the combinations?

Thank you in advance
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You can download my baccarat spreadsheets and look at the code directly to see the answer to your question. You will have to enable macros, understand VBA code and know how to use Excel in "developer" mode. This is essentially the same code in every language (I've also written it in C, C++ and Java when needed) -- just six nested "for loops".

https://advancedadvantageplay.com/downloads/

Thank you all for this quick reply. However, I have a quick question for Eliot.

What do these variables (b,p,t) of the player expected value mean? How do I calculate the amount of total hands?

This is the whole formula.
pEV = (bNum * (-1) + pNum * (1) + tNum * (0)) / totalHands

Hi Anonymous21 --

In general, b, p, t reference Banker, Player and Tie.

The code is how you figure out the total number of hands. That's it. There is no magic formula for it other than this code. I suppose you could have a spreadsheet, but it would amount to the same thing (see my next post).

In the formula you referenced, bNum = number of hands won by the Banker, pNum = number of hands won by the Player and tNum = number of Tie hands.

How did you ever get selected to write a "text" on the mathematics of baccarat? Coding casino games seems far afield from your knowledge base, though I do trust you have a solid math background.

Here is that spreadsheet I referenced (302,500 rows):

https://advancedadvantageplay.com/baccarat_easy_edge/

Thank you a lot!
I have to do a project about casino games where baccarat is included, but I don't know how profound it should be. So I have to figure out how profound I have to go to include the main parts.