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May 10th, 2020 at 11:15:01 AM permalink
Will you feel comfortable and/or enjoy playing at a table game with these type of dividers installed?

Please explain your thoughts on either side of the coin.

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May 10th, 2020 at 11:21:34 AM permalink
No.

They just look silly and overkill.
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May 10th, 2020 at 11:25:33 AM permalink
No and this is why it will be a long time before casinos reopen.

MGM has said that they need 50% occupancy to reopen a resort and they're not going to get it.
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May 10th, 2020 at 11:44:06 AM permalink
I'd love to play blackjack at tables like that, especially if it is limited to four players. I don't really play any other table games but don't see a problem with it.
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May 10th, 2020 at 12:05:09 PM permalink
My livelihood doesnít depend on a casino, so, no.

Iím not going back until I am 100% certain it is 100% safe. Thereís no need.
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May 10th, 2020 at 12:06:15 PM permalink
Quote: Mosca

My livelihood doesnít depend on a casino, so, no.

Iím not going back until I am 100% certain it is 100% safe. Thereís no need.



100% safe? I guess you will never be back.
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May 10th, 2020 at 1:34:13 PM permalink
i would need a wider area to stand and flail my arms at least. I like to throw a fist pump or two sometimes and my elbow goes flying in a "random" direction sometimes and your face doesnt want to connect with that thing. Also i know some tables i think from (tcs huxley?) have fans for ventilation. I want multiples of those. Sometimes a cooling fan sometimes a heating fan sometimes a ventilation fan.

Definitely each station should have individual sanitizers, and those lights that they use in the bathrooms that are usually combined with hand dryers that kill germs or something.

If were getting silly I would also want it to be half circular, but morphs into a wind tunnel/"cash grab" tube that eventually surrounds me and starts going after i win a sidebet.

A sound detector to detect when someone sneezes, and a camera to virtually assess their health. Oh and that thing that surrounds you also quarantines you until security comes to physically remove you from the casino for almost killing everyone with your sneeze.

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May 10th, 2020 at 1:56:44 PM permalink
Hey! There's a sneeze guard there! What's to stop me from sneezing!?! I'll sneeze a dozen times before I stop! I won't even have time to tell you to hit my hand!
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May 10th, 2020 at 2:08:36 PM permalink
i just realized the photo in the video preview the guy is holding a phone at a table. WHERE IS THIS CASINO AT AND WHEN CAN I GO?!
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May 10th, 2020 at 2:45:59 PM permalink
I will take a wait and see approach. But I tend to think I'd stay away. I will not wear a mask while playing. I'm not opposed to requiring masks. They are just uncomfortable. I'll wait until it's safe not to wear one.
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May 10th, 2020 at 2:47:29 PM permalink
Quote: heatmap

WHERE IS THIS CASINO AT AND WHEN CAN I GO?!



Did you watch the video?
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May 10th, 2020 at 3:48:23 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

100% safe? I guess you will never be back.



Wouldnít miss it. Gambling is a pastime for me. Iíll do something else instead.
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May 10th, 2020 at 4:18:52 PM permalink
Quote: IndyJeffrey

I will not wear a mask while playing. They are just uncomfortable. I'll wait until it's safe not to wear one.



I have worn a mask my entire career. Never liked them. Would always take them off the second it was possible. I'm not saying I won't play with one, but it will certainly be a negative. The only positive will be if smoking is banned during the 'you must wear a mask phase'.
I wonder if someone has invented a mask with some sort of pre built hole for cigarettes?
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May 10th, 2020 at 4:52:13 PM permalink
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Did you watch the video?



i did after and assumed it was employees ... i also didnt have the sound on i hate listening to people lie to me about something that is going on somewhere i dont care about in general i hate the news
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May 10th, 2020 at 6:39:17 PM permalink
I think it's presumptive to think a dealer will not be able to wear gloves and not be able to wear a mask. They will be able to I think. Customers won't feel safe if they're not.
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May 10th, 2020 at 7:31:50 PM permalink
I'm fine with barriers like that involved... might cut down on unnecessary chitchat at the tables too. Having said that, they don't particularly make me feel any safer, either.
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May 10th, 2020 at 8:12:31 PM permalink
I was in Albertsons today and I always bring a mask. Frankly, it gets a bit uncomfortable wearing them in the Vegas heat. I really donít want to wear it inside while gambling....so Iím not sure what Iíll do. Unless I can find a very breathable, comfortable mask that doesnít feel like I want to rip it off after 15 minutes....my casino time might be limited.
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May 10th, 2020 at 8:46:26 PM permalink
That is the only kinda table Iíd play at now.
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May 10th, 2020 at 9:19:38 PM permalink
I have a feeling, regardless of opinion of people who hate it, if enough people play they'll leave it up as long as it helps keep them open.

LIke bad black jack odds --- if enough people play they won't change it.

If there is a vaccine in the future, they will come down then. Or if everyone who is gonna die, dies. Whichever comes first.

Or course it's got some percentage of effectiveness. What that number is, I don't know.
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May 10th, 2020 at 9:23:09 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO


I wonder if someone has invented a mask with some sort of pre built hole for cigarettes?



I believe that's called the Halloween mask.
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May 10th, 2020 at 9:31:52 PM permalink
I hope they supply disposable sneeze bags if they don't require masks.

This is where you grab a plastic bag and put it over your entire head and sneeze or cough.

j/k maybe.
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May 11th, 2020 at 4:33:23 AM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

I think it's presumptive to think a dealer will not be able to wear gloves and not be able to wear a mask. They will be able to I think. Customers won't feel safe if they're not.



I don't see how gloves are possible, too much lost dexterity. And all they are doing is touching things with gloves, not their hands.
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May 11th, 2020 at 5:29:45 AM permalink
To be honest, I voted yes. I'd feel a lot safer with those dividers at table games. I don't feel okay with the thought of going back to Casinos without dividers at table games. I shudder to think of all the times I played without any protection in the Casinos.
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May 11th, 2020 at 7:10:23 AM permalink
They should offer pits in the "old style" - no plexiglass, no gloves, no masks, six available seats - and others in the "new" style - full bore protection, masks and latex gloves required of everyone, three seats per table, every other table closed.

All things being equal, customers can decide for themselves.

My bet is new style will prevail for a while, but that over time it'll be back to customer option. I recall seeing very few (mostly) Asian players with masks. The percentage will be higher, but people will decide for themselves, given a chance.

When you read the actual, legal documents regarding all of these new rules, they most often mandate actions that must be taken by regulated, licensed businesses. If the company does not do thus and so, it can be fined or shut down. Restrictions on individuals are more often "guidance." Threats of enforcement are many times just stern warnings that carry no penalties. That's why businesses and some police don't want to become nannies.

While most people will stay in line, the growing number of people who will want to test the limits of the law will determine how long this lasts. My bet is not long.
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May 11th, 2020 at 8:36:56 AM permalink
Iíd play at one. I donít care. Iím ready to gamble again.
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May 11th, 2020 at 8:48:11 AM permalink
Quote: Wishuponacomet

To be honest, I voted yes. I'd feel a lot safer with those dividers at table games. I don't feel okay with the thought of going back to Casinos without dividers at table games. I shudder to think of all the times I played without any protection in the Casinos.



Yet we survived!

This is a classic trap. People see something new and think they need it and cannot survive without it. But they did not know it existed before.

I agree with the post that said have both styles. See which players prefer. Something tells me most people do not want to wear masks and sit in a glass booth to play a table game.
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May 11th, 2020 at 9:15:49 AM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Yet we survived!

This is a classic trap. People see something new and think they need it and cannot survive without it. But they did not know it existed before.

I agree with the post that said have both styles. See which players prefer. Something tells me most people do not want to wear masks and sit in a glass booth to play a table game.



Someone said people can vote with their feet. That explains the loss of population in high-tax states like NY, CT, IL, and the growth in population for states like FL and TX (no state income tax). Individuals can figure this out for themselves, regardless of what the rule-makers tell us you have to do. Everyone can decide for themselves, and determine whether it makes sense, for THEM, to follow or ignore the rules.

It's against the law to drive drunk. The restriction is in place everywhere, but still people decide not to be on the road late at night, or on New Year's Eve, because their common sense tells them that relying on other people to stay home when they are drunk just because there's a law against it is not enough of a proscription to make it safe.

This is no different. If you think it's dangerous to go out, or to a casino, stay home. If you want to walk around in a hazmat suit because you're conclusion is that it's the only way to be safe, in spite of all the restrictions, ok with me.

I'd love to see a casino offer two areas in their casino - maximum safety v. a customer-selected "old way" option. There are no-smoking areas in casinos, and lung cancer will kill more people this year than COVID-19. Give people a choice. I'd bet open tables, with smoking allowed, would be a big hit.
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May 11th, 2020 at 9:17:12 AM permalink
You'll never open clubs again when one person can infect hundreds in one night. R0=unlimited!
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May 11th, 2020 at 9:17:17 AM permalink
*Edited to oblivion.*
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May 11th, 2020 at 11:02:45 AM permalink
Quote: ChumpChange

You'll never open clubs again when one person can infect hundreds in one night. R0=unlimited!



Sure you will. They are popular for a reason. Lots of people love paying for overpriced drinks and having to scream at each other to be heard in return for being seen at the hip place. They will want to do this again.
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May 11th, 2020 at 11:12:29 AM permalink
South Korea just shut all its bars and nightclubs after tracing at least forty cases back to them within days of their reopening.
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May 11th, 2020 at 11:15:24 AM permalink
NY State has at least 93 cases of a mysterious Kowalski type disease in children. In almost every case, the child tests positive for CV19.
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May 11th, 2020 at 11:22:12 AM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Sure you will. They are popular for a reason. Lots of people love paying for overpriced drinks and having to scream at each other to be heard in return for being seen at the hip place. They will want to do this again.



Flu. Lung cancer. Liver disease from drinking. Drunk drivers. Drug addiction. Obesity. Heart disease. Diabetes. On and on and on. All of these can be mitigated by specific action or avoided by people making conscious "good" choices. For those who won't, or don't want to, there will always be places to go.

Sodom. Gomorrah. Amsterdam. Bangkok. Sun City... Las Vegas.

I'm not saying tomorrow. But sooner than you think.
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May 11th, 2020 at 11:44:22 AM permalink
Quote: Wishuponacomet

To be honest, I voted yes. I'd feel a lot safer with those dividers at table games. I don't feel okay with the thought of going back to Casinos without dividers at table games. I shudder to think of all the times I played without any protection in the Casinos.

I think it's a false sense of security.
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May 11th, 2020 at 11:47:43 AM permalink
Quote: TDVegas

I was in Albertsons today and I always bring a mask. Frankly, it gets a bit uncomfortable wearing them in the Vegas heat. I really donít want to wear it inside while gambling....so Iím not sure what Iíll do. Unless I can find a very breathable, comfortable mask that doesnít feel like I want to rip it off after 15 minutes....my casino time might be limited.

I had some ass that weren't very comfortable at all they were the m95's that were more like a painter's mask.

I have some surgical masks that I barely notice.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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May 11th, 2020 at 11:48:45 AM permalink
Do you really want to sit in the same chair/toilet or sleep in the same bed within a week of a COVID-19 positive person sitting/sleeping there? Gonna have to put furniture in quarantine.
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May 11th, 2020 at 12:09:04 PM permalink
Quote: racquet

Flu. Lung cancer. Liver disease from drinking. Drunk drivers. Drug addiction. Obesity. Heart disease. Diabetes. On and on and on. All of these can be mitigated by specific action or avoided by people making conscious "good" choices. For those who won't, or don't want to, there will always be places to go.

Sodom. Gomorrah. Amsterdam. Bangkok. Sun City... Las Vegas.

I'm not saying tomorrow. But sooner than you think.



All reminds me of when the Vicar told Andy Capp "Look at me. No late nights, no drinking, no smoking, no gambling, and next week I'll be celebrating my 65th birthday"

To which Andy thinks and replies, "HOW?"
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May 11th, 2020 at 3:26:54 PM permalink
One thing I don't mind too much about casinos, is I have no problem with going on their biggest off hours, or off days when fewer people are there. I don't go for the crowds. Never did.

Now there's some things that only occur at certain times, like promotions. That will be a little bit harder to negotiate, especially if it's really crowded.
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May 11th, 2020 at 3:30:03 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I think it's a false sense of security.



I like the idea because it separates the rest of the players. No inane conversations, no telling what exit I'm from, etc.
I won't be hitting a casino anytime soon, in any event.
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May 11th, 2020 at 3:37:34 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

One thing I don't mind too much about casinos, is I have no problem with going on their biggest off hours, or off days when fewer people are there. I don't go for the crowds. Never did.

Now there's some things that only occur at certain times, like promotions. That will be a little bit harder to negotiate, especially if it's really crowded.



I wonder if Promotions(The live ones) will be postponed upon reopening. When I say "Live Promotions," I mean the type of Promotions where you earn like 50 points, put your name in a barrel, get your name called and spin a wheel on stage for like $400 in free play. I don't know if it will be business as usual or if Live Promotions will be gone upon reopening for the time being.
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May 11th, 2020 at 4:42:08 PM permalink
Quote: Wishuponacomet

I wonder if Promotions(The live ones) will be postponed upon reopening. When I say "Live Promotions," I mean the type of Promotions where you earn like 50 points, put your name in a barrel, get your name called and spin a wheel on stage for like $400 in free play. I don't know if it will be business as usual or if Live Promotions will be gone upon reopening for the time being.

Should ask Nathan.
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May 11th, 2020 at 5:17:18 PM permalink
I voted yes. I would play at a table like that, but I think it's overkill. If everyone is wearing masks and you're not touching your eyes/mouth, you'll probably be just as "safe" as with these dividers (or more so). On a somewhat related note, I'm most happy about the idea of not being crowded at a craps table. I don't mind a full table for any other game, but a full craps table is annoying. Assuming I can still get on, a craps table with 3 people per side sounds great.
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May 11th, 2020 at 6:38:34 PM permalink
Quote: TinMan

...a full craps table is annoying. Assuming I can still get on, a craps table with 3 people per side sounds great.



Only three people at a craps table means only three people betting. Reduce the number of players at a blackjack table from six to three, and the money being bet is reduced by, let's say, 50%, assuming all the players are betting the same amount.. How many people are there crowded around a craps table? Ten? Fifteen? They're all betting. But with only three going forward? What's the percentage drop in total bets? Much more than 50%.

The annoyance factor is irrelevant to the casino. But a reduction of seventy to eighty percent in the amount being bet on a single throw of the dice? Very annoying. Probably not sustainable, since there are three or four workers at each table.

It'll be interesting to look back at these threads in two months, and then six months, and then a year.

The envisioned "new world" of casinos will not work, just like restaurants limited to 50% occupancy cannot sustain themselves. Either these draconian regulations are dropped or ignored, otherwise casinos and restaurants will not be viable and will cease to exist.

Casino managers and restauranters, riddle me this: Can you be profitable with at least 50% of your business mandated out of existence by the state?
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May 11th, 2020 at 8:19:21 PM permalink
Quote: Wishuponacomet

get your name called and spin a wheel



Touch a wheel.. with my hand ? No thanks
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May 12th, 2020 at 7:23:55 AM permalink
Think it's three people per side at craps. Not quite heaven (One person per side) but I'll take it!
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May 12th, 2020 at 7:48:52 AM permalink
Quote: Wishuponacomet

To be honest, I voted yes. I'd feel a lot safer with those dividers at table games. I don't feel okay with the thought of going back to Casinos without dividers at table games. I shudder to think of all the times I played without any protection in the Casinos.


The entire plans these casinos are rolling out are, imo, a complete garbage show. Not because these things might not work. They might.

The number one thing the casinos should have addressed as it relates to the spread of this virus...is people spreading water droplets, aka vaping, blowing it on the plexiglas, the chips, the cards, the tables, other people walking thru the fog, their clothes, their skin, breathing it in.

What did the casinos mandate or discuss or think over on the subject?

Nothing. Zip. Nada.

The entire ďsafetyĒ thing is a clusterflunk of hypocrisy. Same goes for smoking, ashes...youíve never seen ashes all over the place at a casino?....then youíve never been to a casino.

The entire garbage show of ďsafety and health is priority oneĒ is nonsense.

The issue of cleaning everything and having wipe down schedules is documented for everything down to the tip token box. Yet, not one single solitary mention of cleaning ashtrays regularly.

Please. The entire thing is a show because they conveniently left off what is probably the most important aspect of preventing spread, mitigating spread.
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May 12th, 2020 at 8:15:28 AM permalink
I can lay out every casino's plan.

1. Change as little as possible to allow the maximum number of gamblers per table/machine to satisfy the absolute minimum necessary standard to appease regulators.
2. There is no 2.

It ABSOLUTELY does not matter if 1. makes it safe, or just makes it appear safe.
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May 12th, 2020 at 8:34:09 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

I can lay out every casino's plan.

1. Change as little as possible to allow the maximum number of gamblers per table/machine to satisfy the absolute minimum necessary standard to appease regulators.
2. There is no 2.

It ABSOLUTELY does not matter if 1. makes it safe, or just makes it appear safe.



What happens a month later when contact tracing points to casinos as the origin of outbreaks ?

And I agree with you that casinos will do the bare minimum required by law in order to get their doors opened. And then probably even less than the minimum within a month after that.

They want to at least reel in those customers whose desire to gamble is greater than their concern about their health.
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May 12th, 2020 at 8:35:21 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

I can lay out every casino's plan.

1. Change as little as possible to allow the maximum number of gamblers per table/machine to satisfy the absolute minimum necessary standard to appease regulators.
2. There is no 2.

It ABSOLUTELY does not matter if 1. makes it safe, or just makes it appear safe.


I would agree. Sadly, the casino environment is going to present many challenges IF there are outbreaks after opening. Any blame in Vegas is not coming back to retail stores or restaurants or anywhere else.

I suspect the casino floor will be the blamed culprit. Time will tell. Hopefully there are no increases in cases to warrant another drastic action.

I really do not believe safety is their main thought process. The appearance of safety might be their main thought process. Fog machines obviously excluded.
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May 12th, 2020 at 9:03:41 AM permalink
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What happens a month later when contact tracing points to casinos as the origin of outbreaks ?

And I agree with you that casinos will do the bare minimum required by law in order to get their doors opened. And then probably even less than the minimum within a month after that.

They want to at least reel in those customers whose desire to gamble is greater than their concern about their health.


There are going to be a LOT of nervous people (Vegas) as a limited casino opening happens. Business people, casino operators and politicians and residents. Pins and needles that an outbreak doesn't happen.

If it does...and it traces back to the casinos, then you might as well shut it all down until a vaccine is available.

June and July will be nervous months.

Frankly, the decision to start opening in Vegas was based on a 1% (yes, 1%) decline in cases. I find it hard to believe that 1% drove the decision. 10%....ok. 20%...ok. A 1% decline has started the ball rolling on opening?? Regardless if testing went from 1,500 to 4,000...a 1% decline seems almost meaningless to me.

I begin to question the entire "response".....
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