Learning black jack at casinos

I just started playing and im currently reading fortune's formula by william poundstone. It details the mathematical studies of probabilty specific to black jack by the likes of edward thorp. Despite devolping applicable mathematical theories he still had to learn about the casinos and identifying cheaters from mobsters line emmanuel kimmel. Do any of you know how to identify cheaters or how the computerized black jack machines are vs the dealers?

Cheaters never win, and winners never cheat. The black machines should be treated the same as any other color machine.

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Cheaters never win, and winners never cheat. The black machines should be treated the same as any other color machine.

"Win if you can, lose if you must, but always, always cheat. "
Attributed to various wrestling managers.

Ok I'm assuming none of you had issues with cheating nor has anyone played the black jack machines. Ive read that roulette tables use computerized algorithms to break win streaks. I imagine the black jack machines are no different. It would also likely destroy the advantage of card counting.

I see a LOT of newbies sit with the Basic Strategy card on the table and follow it religiously, only to lose their $60 buy-in & leave. They keep shaking their head saying "I don't get it, I followed the strategy, why did I lose?"

Only to be followed by the drunken 22 yr. old with a handful of chips, stack them up and hit a hard 14 vs Dealer 6 and get a 6. Which then brings about a collective groan from the table when the dealer flips a 10 and pulls a 3!!

Like they say, It Takes ALL kinds!

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Ok I'm assuming none of you had issues with cheating nor has anyone played the black jack machines. Ive read that roulette tables use computerized algorithms to break win streaks. I imagine the black jack machines are no different. It would also likely destroy the advantage of card counting.

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Well it takes more than one hand and a much bigger bank roll to win at black jack. That was the first guys mistake in addition to needing to learn the deck while playing. Many establishments dont even allow you to look at tables of any kind, thats how you get thrown out or worse. This means they have some effectiveness when utilized properly. I take no one has tried the machines.

Mr. Kotter is not a cheater, but all the other Hollywood celebs are.

If you're wondering how the machines compare to the tables, check the rules on each, and also the coin-in denominations.
Not being able to split more than once is a problem. No surrender is a hindrance. 5 coin max is ridiculous. Even money on a Blackjack is bogus. Not being able to play 500 hands an hour at the tables seems absurdly slow.
I'd try to make my buy-ins at 25 hands this year.