Zcore13
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February 24th, 2020 at 11:31:56 AM permalink
Quote: Vegasrider

That's what I have been told by one of the managers, I'm sure contracts vary by casino. I'm sure they cannot buy the shuffling machines, they must lease them. Same goes for the poker rooms, they lesse the machines. I know the poker manager well, I'm sure I can verify what the cost is, but it may differ depending on the games.



I paid $170 a month lease for my 6 deck shufflers, but that was a really good deal I think. Most places probably pay $250 - $400, depending on the size of the casino. Nobody pays $1,200.


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TigerWu
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February 24th, 2020 at 12:36:46 PM permalink
Quote: Vegasrider

Casino also don't own certain games, like DJ or UTH. They have to pay some royalties or lease on the game
Same for the shuffling machines, I think they said $1400 a day for each machine whether you use them or not.



That's over a half million dollars a year to RENT one shuffle machine. No way those numbers are accurate. Maybe $1400 a month.
Vegasrider
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February 24th, 2020 at 1:33:34 PM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

That's over a half million dollars a year to RENT one shuffle machine. No way those numbers are accurate. Maybe $1400 a month.



Yeah, probably per month, not day. But I will still ask.
Zcore13
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February 24th, 2020 at 3:15:19 PM permalink
Quote: Vegasrider

Yeah, probably per month, not day. But I will still ask.



Nope, not per month either.


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TDVegas
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February 24th, 2020 at 5:50:15 PM permalink
Quote: Vegasrider

Casino also don't own certain games, like DJ or UTH. They have to pay some royalties or lease on the game
Same for the shuffling machines, I think they said $1400 a day for each machine whether you use them or not. So seems to me paying OT, which is an extra $3.63 an hour based on state minimum wage is a no brainier. Based on the time, it would involve the 7-3 dealers to work about 2 hours of OT. Manager did say cannot close a ctaps game in the middle of a roll.


$42,000/month for a shuffle machine???

No way. Not even close. Iíve seen pricing at around $10,000-$12,000 for professional machines used by casinos. Thereís no way they rent it for $42,000/month.
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February 25th, 2020 at 7:57:35 AM permalink
Just spoke to the poker rroom manager last night, he said you can buy them but he said he pays $400 a month for the machine which includes service.. but poker shuffling machines are much simpler as table games machines are much more complex as you can program the machines to deal every game that is offered. So if thats the case, the table game shufflers could cost much more, I will rtry to find out the cost.
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February 25th, 2020 at 8:03:14 AM permalink
I know we used to pay around $1,200 amonth for six deck shufflers many years ago,
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TDVegas
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February 25th, 2020 at 8:56:47 AM permalink
Quote: Vegasrider

That's what I have been told by one of the managers, I'm sure contracts vary by casino. I'm sure they cannot buy the shuffling machines, they must lease them. Same goes for the poker rooms, they lesse the machines. I know the poker manager well, I'm sure I can verify what the cost is, but it may differ depending on the games.


If a manager is telling you $1,400/day or close to $500,000/year to rent 1 shuffle machine....note to self, never ever ask this manager another question about anything beyond "where can I get a cup of coffee"?

It's almost hard to believe a casino manager can be this clueless. Are you 100% sure you heard it right?
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February 25th, 2020 at 9:05:40 AM permalink
Yo, TD. $400 a month, last report.
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February 25th, 2020 at 12:24:07 PM permalink
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Yo, TD. $400 a month, last report.



For live poker,, the table game machines are much more sophisticated and have multi use, crossing over to many or all the various table games offered so i'm guessing its going to cost much more. Hard to believe $1400 a day but $1400 per month maybe.

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