UCivan
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February 11th, 2020 at 11:46:29 AM permalink
AGS is now at $9.15. Looks like a BUY.
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February 11th, 2020 at 12:02:44 PM permalink
Quote: UCivan

AGS is now at $9.15. Looks like a BUY.



Sure. Even with burgeoning sales from last year they still lost 20 Million dollars. A few years back was over $30 a share. Despite losing boatloads of money they still manage to give lots of stock to management diluting the already pathetic shares.

Sounds like a buy to me?
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February 11th, 2020 at 12:55:25 PM permalink
AGS has hemorrhaged so much much on their foray into table games - it's insane.
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February 12th, 2020 at 9:12:43 AM permalink
Is this the company that doesn’t come up with anything original? Just copies everyone else’s games and changes one minor rule to get around the patent and then sells the game for slightly less than Shufflemaster? Hope it goes to zero.
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February 12th, 2020 at 9:34:45 AM permalink
Quote: Sandybestdog

Is this the company that doesn’t come up with anything original? Just copies everyone else’s games and changes one minor rule to get around the patent and then sells the game for slightly less than Shufflemaster? Hope it goes to zero.



They have slot games that are decent and original.
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February 12th, 2020 at 9:45:51 AM permalink
Quote: UCivan

AGS is now at $9.15. Looks like a BUY.



Not until they bail out of table games.


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February 12th, 2020 at 12:46:08 PM permalink
Quote: Sandybestdog

Is this the company that doesn’t come up with anything original? Just copies everyone else’s games and changes one minor rule to get around the patent and then sells the game for slightly less than Shufflemaster? Hope it goes to zero.



Yes.
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February 12th, 2020 at 7:04:23 PM permalink
I strongly disapprove of how their must-hit-by progressives are almost impossible to hit until very close to the maximum value. To me, that shows disrespect for their players and short-term-thinking. It does not surprise me that their stock is not doing well, with that attitude.

"This page assumes that a jackpot is equally likely to trigger anywhere between the starting value and must-hit-by maximum. This seems to be true for all makers, except AGS. The reader should be warned that AGS must-hit-by jackpots almost never hit until they are near the must-hit-by point. For example, the large jackpots are supposed to hit by $5,000, but it is rumored in the advantage player slot community that they rarely hit below $4,990. So, please do not apply the information in this page to AGS machines." -- Must Hit by Progressives.
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February 12th, 2020 at 8:26:56 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I strongly disapprove of how their must-hit-by progressives are almost impossible to hit until very close to the maximum value. To me, that shows disrespect for their players and short-term-thinking. It does not surprise me that their stock is not doing well, with that attitude.

"This page assumes that a jackpot is equally likely to trigger anywhere between the starting value and must-hit-by maximum. This seems to be true for all makers, except AGS. The reader should be warned that AGS must-hit-by jackpots almost never hit until they are near the must-hit-by point. For example, the large jackpots are supposed to hit by $5,000, but it is rumored in the advantage player slot community that they rarely hit below $4,990. So, please do not apply the information in this page to AGS machines." -- Must Hit by Progressives.



I thought that's how their Super 4 Progressive Blackjack side bet would be, but I've seen it hit many times well before the must hit number. We started it at $1,000 and it seemed to hit at $990 or above, but since then we reduced it to $250 and now that it hits 4 times as often, it does hit well below the must hit by fairly often.

That doesn't change the fact that it's a bad side bet and players don't like it.


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February 12th, 2020 at 8:40:24 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

I thought that's how their Super 4 Progressive Blackjack side bet would be, but I've seen it hit many times well before the must hit number. We started it at $1,000 and it seemed to hit at $990 or above, but since then we reduced it to $250 and now that it hits 4 times as often, it does hit well below the must hit by fairly often.

That doesn't change the fact that it's a bad side bet and players don't like it.



That jackpot should hit naturally, based on playing cards. I'm referring to slot machine jackpots, which are not easily quantifiable.
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