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The question for the poll is would you bet the Lucky 6 if playing baccarat anyway?

On your Lucky 6 page, rule 2 says:

"If the Banker bet wins with a 3-card total of 6, then the Lucky 6 pays 24 for 1."

However, your payable says 23:1.

I suspect at least one of these values is incorrect ;-)

Hope this helps!

Dog Hand

23:1 is the same as paying 24 for 1.

However, at the Cosmopolitan, the Tiger Bank 6 win for three cards pays 20:1, with two cards, 12:1 , so either this casino Wiz has reviewed pays better than the Cosmopolitan, or he has made a mistake as to the payoffs. I haven't played the commission free tables at the Venetian yet, so I cannot confirm, but it seems odd that Venetian would be paying better odds on Baccarat than Cosmopolitan, but I suppose it is possible.

I would be willing to bet that Venetian and Cosmo have the same payoffs on their commission free tables, that is 12:1 for two card Bank 6, 20:1 for three card Bank 6. I can't see two casinos on the strip paying differently for the same game, whether called Lucky 6 or Tiger.

Quote:MDawgDog it's just the way they do it, for example Baccarat tie bet is marked on the felt as paying "9 for 1" which means "8:1" - same thing.

23:1 is the same as paying 24 for 1.

However, at the Cosmopolitan, the Tiger Bank 6 win for three cards pays 20:1, with two cards, 12:1 , so either this casino Wiz has reviewed pays better than the Cosmopolitan, or he has made a mistake as to the payoffs. I haven't played the commission free tables at the Venetian yet, so I cannot confirm, but it seems odd that Venetian would be paying better odds on Baccarat than Cosmopolitan, but I suppose it is possible.

I would be willing to bet that Venetian and Cosmo have the same payoffs on their commission free tables, that is 12:1 for two card Bank 6, 20:1 for three card Bank 6. I can't see two casinos on the strip paying differently for the same game, whether called Lucky 6 or Tiger.

How much would you like to bet? I will take the "no" , they are not the same bet.

Quote:beachbumbabsQuote:MDawgDog it's just the way they do it, for example Baccarat tie bet is marked on the felt as paying "9 for 1" which means "8:1" - same thing.

23:1 is the same as paying 24 for 1.

However, at the Cosmopolitan, the Tiger Bank 6 win for three cards pays 20:1, with two cards, 12:1 , so either this casino Wiz has reviewed pays better than the Cosmopolitan, or he has made a mistake as to the payoffs. I haven't played the commission free tables at the Venetian yet, so I cannot confirm, but it seems odd that Venetian would be paying better odds on Baccarat than Cosmopolitan, but I suppose it is possible.

I would be willing to bet that Venetian and Cosmo have the same payoffs on their commission free tables, that is 12:1 for two card Bank 6, 20:1 for three card Bank 6. I can't see two casinos on the strip paying differently for the same game, whether called Lucky 6 or Tiger.

How much would you like to bet? I will take the "no" , they are not the same bet.

It’s got to be at least $5000. Anything less isn’t worth his time.

The payout is 20:1 for three card Bank 6 at Cosmo, and 12:1 for two card Bank 6 at Cosmo on their "commissionless" game. I bet that the payout is exactly the same for the Lucky 6 "commissionless" Baccarat game at Venetian. This is based on, how could it not be and my knowledge of gambling. You wish to bet against me?

I will go further and bet that The Wizard is wrong if he claims that the payout for the Lucky 6 at Venetian is 23:1 for a three card Bank 6.

Quote:DogHandWiz,

On your Lucky 6 page, rule 2 says:

"If the Banker bet wins with a 3-card total of 6, then the Lucky 6 pays 24 for 1."

However, your payable says 23:1.

I suspect at least one of these values is incorrect ;-)

Hope this helps!

Dog Hand

I explained on the page that the wording on the table is on a "for one" basis, but I converted it to "to one," just to be consistent with how I analyze table most bets.

Quote:charliepatrickI agree with your figures but not the addition, it comes out as a player advantage.

Who were you responding to? I'm not sure I follow.

Quote:When I change the payout to 20 to 1 ( c.f. https://www.ggrasia.com/macau-regulator-approves-lucky-6-side-bet-for-baccarat/ ) there's a very small House Edge (0.18%), so I'm guessing that's what they should be offering.

I get a house edge of 20.12% under the Macau rules.

Quote:WizardWho were you responding to? I'm not sure I follow.

charliepatrick's comment

Your return table has

EVENT__________________ RETURN

3-Card Winning Banker 0.856675

2-Card Winning Banker 0.199404

All other________________ -0.946136

Total____________________ -0.089462

But 0.856675 + 0.199404 - 0.946136 = +0.114718 which is a player advantage of 11.47% !!!! Yet, your total implies a H.E. of 8.946%

Overall Result: Exp: -0.11610937322971716 Hands: 80592701 2card6: 3006121 3card6: 1339815 lose6: 76246765

The sim shows Pr(3card6) = 0.016625 and Pr(3card6) = 0.037300

The expected loss should be 11.698% so the sim is fairly close and typical for bad value sidebets (I wonder why they didn't chose to pay 25 to 1).

Everything is hopefully corrected now.

Quote:charliepatrickI agree with your figures but not the addition, it comes out as a player advantage. When I change the payout to 20 to 1 ( c.f. https://www.ggrasia.com/macau-regulator-approves-lucky-6-side-bet-for-baccarat/ ) there's a very small House Edge (0.18%), so I'm guessing that's what they should be offering.

GGRASIA says, "‘Lucky Six’ pays out on any winning ‘banker’ hand with a face value of six. It pays 20 to 1 if the winning ‘banker’ hand with a face value of six is composed of three cards, and 12 to 1 for a two-card winning hand, according to the rules published by the Gaming Inspection and Coordination Bureau, also known by its Portuguese acronym DICJ."

I did not see the rules published on http://www.dicj.gov.mo/web/en/rules/index.html

Quote:MDawgBeach: so the bet is that the Tiger baccarat game at Cosmopolitan Vegas and the Lucky 6 baccarat at Venetian Vegas have different odds for the payment of the Bank 6?

The payout is 20:1 for three card Bank 6 at Cosmo, and 12:1 for two card Bank 6 at Cosmo on their "commissionless" game. I bet that the payout is exactly the same for the Lucky 6 "commissionless" Baccarat game at Venetian. This is based on, how could it not be and my knowledge of gambling. You wish to bet against me?

I will go further and bet that The Wizard is wrong if he claims that the payout for the Lucky 6 at Venetian is 23:1 for a three card Bank 6.

I am sure Wiz is wrong here. While in Vegas for five weeks I actually never stepped foot inside the Venetian because was too busy playing at other casinos this particular trip, but if you check here

https://www.venetian.com/content/dam/venetian/casino/table-games/VP-Gaming-Guide.pdf

it states "There is also an additional proposition wager

called Lucky 6. Should you choose to wager on the

Lucky 6, you win 13 for 1 on any winning two card

Banker hand totaling 6 and 21 for 1 on any three

card Banker hand totaling 6."

which is exactly the same as the Dragon bet at Cosmopolitan: The payout is 20:1 for three card Bank 6 at Cosmo, and 12:1 for two card Bank 6 at Cosmo on their "commissionless" game. As I stated, it would be unimaginable that two properties on the strip offer an identical game with such disparate payouts.

So, Wiz was wrong when he claimed that the Lucky 6 pays 24 for 1 at Venetian for 3 card Bank six, in fact, it pays 21 for 1.

Quote:beachbumbabsHow much would you like to bet? I will take the "no" , they are not the same bet.

BeachBumBabs loses the bet, but I didn't want to take it because it would have been like taking money from home.