Improving the All / Tall / Small and Repeater bets
When I was playing craps with Mark & Dr Mike at Gamblepalooza, they were making bets on the ATS, but also hopping Red on any come out roll to protect their ATS bet.
While I realize that the pencil pushers at the casino probably love this, it really slows the game down. And, I assume that the dealers hate having to take them down and set them up all the time, plus all those hop Red bets.
A comment on their recent You Can Bet On That podcast made me think of a simple way to improve the ATS bet, as well as the Repeater bet.
Turn them off for any come out roll - including mid-roll come outs.
Sure, the bets don't get marked for hitting any number when the come out is something other than an 7, but they aren't wiped out when it is a 7 either. As a result, (correct me if I'm wrong), the house edge would not change.
Basically, they'd work the same as the FireBet: A single bet for the life of the shooter. And since these are really sidebets, that should probably be a desired feature.
Quote: DJTeddyBearI think I came up with a simple way to improve the All / Tall / Small and Repeater bets.
When I was playing craps with Mark & Dr Mike at Gamblepalooza, they were making bets on the ATS, but also hopping Red on any come out roll to protect their ATS bet.
While I realize that the pencil pushers at the casino probably love this, it really slows the game down. And, I assume that the dealers hate having to take them down and set them up all the time, plus all those hop Red bets.
A comment on their recent You Can Bet On That podcast made me think of a simple way to improve the ATS bet, as well as the Repeater bet.
Turn them off for any come out roll - including mid-roll come outs.
Sure, the bets don't get marked for hitting any number when the come out is something other than an 7, but they aren't wiped out when it is a 7 either. As a result, (correct me if I'm wrong), the house edge would not change.
Basically, they'd work the same as the FireBet: A single bet for the life of the shooter. And since these are really sidebets, that should probably be a desired feature.
Good Idea.
this idea has been expressed before (and I like it)Quote: DJTeddyBearTurn them off for any come out roll - including mid-roll come outs.
Sure, the bets don't get marked for hitting any number when the come out is something other than an 7, but they aren't wiped out when it is a 7 either.
and I actually started a spreadsheet to figure the probabilities of winning the bets
when the 'winner 7s'
did not cause the bet to lose and
the comeout rolls would still be counted. (I heard players around the table moaning about this exact situation)
That is what I hear at the tables here in Vegas and my small table ($1 to $200 - limit wise) just up the street from me would have the players making that bet. (at least the regulars there like that idea- all rolls for the bets count, but come out 7s, the bets have no action.)
I am sure the payoffs would be a lower, by how much waits to be seen
Quote: 7craps... the 'winner 7s'
did not cause the bet to lose and
the comeout rolls would still be counted. ...
I’m thinking if all come out rolls do not count, the odds should remain the same allowing the payouts and edge to remain the same.
As an operator, would you rather have $3 bet on each shooter, or several multiples of $3 as the winner 7 comes up. Yes it takes time to reset, but the house edge on the bet makes it worth the time spent.
Good idea from the player's POV, but not so much for the house.
that mattersQuote: FCBLComishThe odds should be the same, but the casino's handle will be reduced.
maybe not.Quote: FCBLComishGood idea from the player's POV, but not so much for the house.
the wait is largely increased, meaning the 'wins' take even longer and that should make most stop making the bet, especially with reduced payoffs.
My idea (actually others) to have the bets not lose on the comeout roll (7) but count the rolls (other than 7) actually increases the frequency of wins but that would make the payoffs something like 80 and 20 for 1.
maybe that would also turn players off.
Quote: 7crapsthat matters
maybe not.
the wait is largely increased, meaning the 'wins' take even longer and that should make most stop making the bet, especially with reduced payoffs.
My idea (actually others) to have the bets not lose on the comeout roll (7) but count the rolls (other than 7) actually increases the frequency of wins but that would make the payoffs something like 80 and 20 for 1.
maybe that would also turn players off.
It shouldn't change the payouts at all. Mathematically, the odds of winning are the same when counting only the times the bets are "ON" as counting every roll, For every winner 7 on the come out roll, there will be some number of "last number needed" rolls on the come out where the players would not win.
Let me ask you this. You are the casino.
Would you rather have a player make 1 bet at a 10% advantage, or make 10 bets at that same advantage? That is the problem with this scenario. All day I hear players saying "Give me 2-2-2", or give me "5-5-5" and hop the sevens.
Without the come out roll being in play, those hopping 7's bets would not be happening either.
