World Record Craps Roll. Any stories?

I have read a few articles which pretty much say the same thing:

Patricia Demauro of Denville, New Jersey

May 23th 2009
at The Borgata Hotel Casino and Spa
Atlantic City, New Jersey
4 Hours and 18 Minutes
154 Rolls
25 Pass Line Wins
Estimated Table Win - $180,000

I would PAY to see a 4 hr and 18 minute movie made from security cams!! What fun that must have been. Can you imagine starting a roll at 8pm and not 7ing out til after midnite? It was her 2nd timing shooting craps.

Anyone heard any definite rumors from a third cousins reliable source about that night?

Quote: Yoyomama

I have read a few articles which pretty much say the same thing:

Patricia Demauro of Denville, New Jersey

May 23th 2009
at The Borgata Hotel Casino and Spa
Atlantic City, New Jersey
4 Hours and 18 Minutes
154 Rolls
25 Pass Line Wins
Estimated Table Win - $180,000

I would PAY to see a 4 hr and 18 minute movie made from security cams!! What fun that must have been. Can you imagine starting a roll at 8pm and not 7ing out til after midnite? It was her 2nd timing shooting craps.

Anyone heard any definite rumors from a third cousins reliable source about that night?

Sounds like a fun table. Must have been some big and/or complicated bets out. 154 rolls took 258 minutes. That is a very slow pace.

The previous was:

Stanley Fujitake (RunnerUp)

of Honolulu, Hawaii

May 28th 1989
at The California Hotel & Casino
Las Vegas, Nevada
3 Hours and 6 Minutes
118 Rolls
18 Pass Line Wins
Estimated Table Win - $750,000

Looks like 1.57 minutes/roll for Stanley and 1.67 min/roll for Patricia.

Quote: Yoyomama

The previous was:

Stanley Fujitake (RunnerUp)

of Honolulu, Hawaii

May 28th 1989
at The California Hotel & Casino
Las Vegas, Nevada
3 Hours and 6 Minutes
118 Rolls
18 Pass Line Wins
Estimated Table Win - $750,000

Looks like 1.57 minutes/roll for Stanley and 1.67 min/roll for Patricia.

Wow, and a GIANT difference in table win.

I had the good fortune to have a nice roll in Blackhawk, CO during the Labor Day weekend. I had the dice for three stick changes, so it was approximately an hour. I did not count how many rolls or passes I made.

The table really does slow down during a good roll. There were eight players at each end, and there were multiple come bets and place bets on every number. Lots of chips on all the hardways, for players and crew. I would estimate it took about 2 minutes to payoff each number, less time for craps and 11, so the average time per roll of between 1 and 2 minutes seems reasonable.

Colorado has a $100 limit, so there's not a lot of money to be made. I had six come bets up with $100 odds. After about 40 minutes I was hopping the 7's for $60 every roll and playing the hardways for myself and the crew. When the roll ended I was up $1,600. Some players made more, but most made less.

Quote: Yoyomama

I have read a few articles which pretty much say the same thing:

Estimated Table Win - $180,000

I would PAY to see a 4 hr and 18 minute movie made from security cams!! What fun that must have been. Can you imagine starting a roll at 8pm and not 7ing out til after midnite? It was her 2nd timing shooting craps.

Anyone heard any definite rumors from a third cousins reliable source about that night?

I can't believe the table win was so small. I would have walked away from a roll like that with at least $100,000 myself. Before I get called on that, I have turned a basic $5 pass line bets with unlimited progression and covering all the numbers with come bets to over $10,000 several times. The rolls with those wins have been not much more than 1 hr. Must have been way too many of the players who had win limits and basically quit gambling.

Or maybe as the players who doubled and quit left the table all the new players were waiting for the roll to end before they began playing.

The table wins did seem a bit lite. Especially Patricia's. Info I put up was per Nextshooter.com which the Wizard refers to on his site.

Patricia's roll: Notes from Various Sources: The time, number of rolls, number of pass line wins and estimated table win have been sustantiated to the author of this web site, each item, by two or more reliable sources.

Stanley's roll: Notes: Mr. Fujitake is now deceased. This Record is undisputed and is confirmed by the Marketing Department at Boyd Gaming, owner of the Calfifornia Hotel property. The number of rolls, number of Pass Line wins and the total table winnings is also confirmed at the Las Vegas Museum of History, which was at one time located near the Gift Shop at The Tropicana. Legend, however, has it that the total winnings may have been as high as $1,200,000...

http://www.nextshooter.com/longestroll/

Quote: Yoyomama

The table wins did seem a bit lite.

According to the NJ Casino Control statistics Borgata gamblers bet over $5 million a day on table games, exceeding the #2 NJ casino (Ceasars) by at least half again. It was reported that Patricia was not a big gambler, so she didn't win a lot of money herself (estimates were in the $10K-$20K range), but I would have expected that the table win would be closer to a million dollars as the high rollers wandered over.

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According to the NJ Casino Control statistics Borgata gamblers bet over $5 million a day on table games, exceeding the #2 NJ casino (Ceasars) by at least half again. It was reported that Patricia was not a big gambler, so she didn't win a lot of money herself (estimates were in the $10K-$20K range), but I would have expected that the table win would be closer to a million dollars as the high rollers wandered over.

Makes sense. This is what they wrote about Stanley's roll and how high rollers came over from Binion's.

"Legend, however, has it that the total winnings may have been as high as $1,200,000 and the the bulk of the winnings were not made by the original players at the table, but because the roll was so long that word spread to heavy hitter players who were at Binion's Horseshoe who had ample time to take a short walk to The California to cash in on this gold mine."

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"Legend, however, has it that the total winnings may have been as high as $1,200,000 and the the bulk of the winnings were not made by the original players at the table, but because the roll was so long that word spread to heavy hitter players who were at Binion's Horseshoe who had ample time to take a short walk to The California to cash in on this gold mine."

The monthly statistics for the 14 craps tables at the Borgata show no fluctuation from normal for the month of May 2009. If anything the drop is slightly low for the month.


Month | Casino win | Drop | Win
Apr-09 | $3,422,387 | $19,142,982 | 17.9%
May-09 | $3,002,351 | $18,173,743 | 16.5%
Jun-09 | $3,041,627 | $19,046,370 | 16.0%

May-08 | $3,130,703 | $19,246,409 | 16.3%

I rolled for almost 2 hours a couple years ago at The Siena in Reno. 104 rolls before a 7-out. (89 box numbers).
At the time Fujitake was the record, so I was trying to get above that.
If The Siena was intelligent they would have made a huge deal about the 104 rolls and MAYBE got some revenue off of all the "suckers" wanting to come in and try their craps table...alas, they're closed now.

Were any of these recordholders DIs?

Quote: pacomartin

The monthly statistics for the 14 craps tables at the Borgata show no fluctuation from normal for the month of May 2009. If anything the drop is slightly low for the month.


Month | Casino win | Drop | Win
Apr-09 | $3,422,387 | $19,142,982 | 17.9%
May-09 | $3,002,351 | $18,173,743 | 16.5%
Jun-09 | $3,041,627 | $19,046,370 | 16.0%

May-08 | $3,130,703 | $19,246,409 | 16.3%

The low drop makes sense if the table was paying out. No need to buy in with 10k in your rack.

I used the 3V set the entire time...

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Were any of these recordholders DIs?

Quote: pacomartin

The monthly statistics for the 14 craps tables at the Borgata show no fluctuation from normal for the month of May 2009. If anything the drop is slightly low for the month.


Month | Casino win | Drop | Win
Apr-09 | $3,422,387 | $19,142,982 | 17.9%
May-09 | $3,002,351 | $18,173,743 | 16.5%
Jun-09 | $3,041,627 | $19,046,370 | 16.0%

May-08 | $3,130,703 | $19,246,409 | 16.3%

You appear to be talking about different casinos/rolls.

Quote: Yoyomama

Anyone heard any definite rumors from a third cousins reliable source about that night?

It was that "day" wasn't it? They started off with a regularly scheduled Craps Lecture and then the group started playing for real. These were beginners and the crew kept the pace a bit slow after the lecture as is their custom to accommodate the needs of "newbies".

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I think there is almost certainly someone who has rolled more rolls without a seven, they just didn't win enough money for anyone to notice.

It could have even been a don't better cussing the whole time!

The amount won by the players on the record roll was low, but it is possible that some low rollers were holding all the spots at the table either at the beginning of the roll or very shortly thereafter...if no one was aggressive in their pressing, the amount that was paid out would stay lower than one would expect it to be.

If there is no space at the table, the high rollers likely had no shot at betting on any part of the roll...

That's part of what makes it interesting. Just having a long roll doesn't mean you made any money.

At the California Club, they have a list (almost 90% Hawaiians) of people who rolled and for how long .. in HOURS.

I like to know how many pairs in a row I can do. A few days ago, I rolled three twelves in a row at Fiesta Henderson, but I LOST money because I had come bets!

I didn't mind losing money because it was interesting to see three twelves in a row, but the point is that you can hone in on any metric you want, and independently it doesn't mean much.

ALL of my LONGEST rolls have been with no money on the table. The most money anyone has ever made on my throws has been through hardway parlays (over ten grand starting with $5 each of the hardways).

But probably my cleanest roll that someone made good money on was Teddy's friend Mike who made $4,400 by pressing his odds working the comeout for 30 or so rolls.

I can do a 30 roll pretty darn frequently.

A 60 roll doesn't happen for me every month even at my play frequency.

I roll the same pair back-to-back three more than once per month these days (probably about every two to three weeks). This month it's been crap though. Aces back to back three times twice, and 12's back-to-back three times once.

Anyway, no matter what metric you hone in on, if nobody is betting it, it's only of anecdotal evidence.

IGT just paid a really big jackpot at the M a while back. That made a real difference in someone's life.

My rolling hi/lo's over and over just pisses me off!

Last night at Joker's Wild, I bought in for $50, and I rolled every hardway, and rolled the hard six twice with no easy. But I didn't make money on any of it. I hit a $10 odds on a $1 come bet that travelled to a 5 and I took my money down and cleaned up the remaining couple of dollars.

But that's because I just deposited all my cash and I'm starting over at $50 (now at about $80) trying to climb to $1000 again using discipline.

Some people actually get UPSET when they have a good roll and no bets to make big money on it.

I had an awesome time just like all the previous great rolls at the Joker's Wild where the house hardly gave away any money at all.

That place is an absolute riot and I'm always creating problems making noise and angering some of the patrons while joking and talking with the dealers, but I haven't taken any money from them in the grand scheme of things. And if I had a 200 long roll in there, it would probably cost them less than $1,000 total!

Last time I was in there, some dude was bragging about somebody made $300!!!

I had to hold back from telling him that I had $400 come bet that travelled to the five earlier in the day and made it.

Going in there and joking about how little money is on the table is a sure way to upset some people! And you better believe they still love ya when they make $15 off your roll. LOL. I think some of them appreciate a good roll more than the high rollers at the Wynn.

>Last night at Joker's Wild, I bought in for $50 ...
That is probably an average buy in there, isn't it?
>I hit a $10 odds on a $1 come bet ...
10x odds is good. Alot of players elsewhere gripe about wanting 100x odds but they only actually ever bet 2x odds all night long.

>That place is an absolute riot ...
Great.

>Going in there and joking about how little money is on the table is a sure way to upset some people!
Why would anyone want to be such a wet blanket? Even those making one dollar pass line bets want to have fun and not have to be reminded that they are not at The Venetian making $1,000 bets.