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AxelWolf
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March 22nd, 2019 at 10:35:42 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Well maybe in Vegas

On the East Coast we dont have to worry about that. You can trust me on that one.

And I too have seen security reports and spoken to security staff at the highest levels.

EDIT: As I am primarily not a tables game AP perhaps we are just discussing 2 different beasts here.

If I am handing someone money in a casino its generally over a slot machine or in a food vendor.

I have handed cash to friends of mine at live tables because then I wasnt APing which if the casino wanted to follow my every move now I would have no problem with. I rarely play live tables where I AP because it would feel too much like giving the money back

I am not even talking about tables games. If you think I only play in Vegas you are sorely mistaken(I can actually go many other places with ease since I have a DL and a car), not to mention I know people who also play on the EC regularly. Sorry but I CAN'T trust you on this issue AT ALL. You made your stand on the issue and no matter what evidence is presented and how wrong you are you will never admit you are wrong.

I know it's not always possible to pass money off covertly and there are certain situations where it's worth risking open money exchanges, however, I can't see what harm there is in trying your best to avoid it when possible. You seem to take pride in openly doing it all carelessly. As I said before, they might not harass you, but they might take notice that you are up to something and then they investigate further leading them to change or shut down an opportunity. AP's should do as much as they reasonably can to preserves themselves and plays, not only for themselves, but for AP in general. I'm not saying I myself is blameless or even close to perfect, but I at least try to be careful, keep an open mind and learn from my and other peoples mistakes.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
MaxPen
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March 22nd, 2019 at 11:02:53 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I am not even talking about tables games. If you think I only play in Vegas you are sorely mistaken(I can actually go many other places with ease since I have a DL and a car), not to mention I know people who also play on the EC regularly. Sorry but I CAN'T trust you on this issue AT ALL. You made your stand on the issue and no matter what evidence is presented and how wrong you are you will never admit you are wrong.

I know it's not always possible to pass money off covertly and there are certain situations where it's worth risking open money exchanges, however, I can't see what harm there is in trying your best to avoid it when possible. You seem to take pride in openly doing it all carelessly. As I said before, they might not harass you, but they might take notice that you are up to something and then they investigate further leading them to change or shut down an opportunity. AP's should do as much as they reasonably can to preserves themselves and plays, not only for themselves, but for AP in general. I'm not saying I myself is blameless or even close to perfect, but I at least try to be careful, keep an open mind and learn from my and other peoples mistakes.



You are trying to reason with someone that has been robbed by people in his own circle, has 2 court cases pending (not one but 2; think about that), and has to wear a Halloween mask. To boot, this is someone that supposedly specializes in 2-3 niche areas of AP and claims to be a specialist, when questioned, regarding his lack of general knowledge of his chosen craft.

Where's the emoji banging his head on a wall?
#POINTLESS
AxelWolf
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March 22nd, 2019 at 1:22:15 PM permalink
Quote: MaxPen

You are trying to reason with someone that has been robbed by people in his own circle, has 2 court cases pending (not one but 2; think about that), and has to wear a Halloween mask. To boot, this is someone that supposedly specializes in 2-3 niche areas of AP and claims to be a specialist, when questioned, regarding his lack of general knowledge of his chosen craft.

Where's the emoji banging his head on a wall?
#POINTLESS

Damn, you be ruthless!

Whatever the case, someone else might read something I address to DO(or can we call him BB?) who might take heed.

#keepAPalive.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
darkoz
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March 22nd, 2019 at 1:29:15 PM permalink
I definitely go through some adventures

Fascinating stuff for a memoir AP book

Otherwise you would have

chapter 1:

No heat. Made thousands. Had dinner

Chapter 2:

No heat this chapter either. Made thousands. Had special dinner

Chapter 3:

No heat this chapter again. Took off for WOV spring fling. Met other scared like rabbits APs. Not bad people. Just no stories worth telling. All perfect APs who make no mistakes and think they are better because they have drivers licenses.

Chapter 4: returned to AP no heat again

No one is buying my book with those chapters
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MaxPen
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March 22nd, 2019 at 1:39:07 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

I definitely go through some adventures

Fascinating stuff for a memoir AP book

Otherwise you would have

chapter 1:

No heat. Made thousands. Had dinner

Chapter 2:

No heat this chapter either. Made thousands. Had special dinner

Chapter 3:

No heat this chapter again. Took off for WOV spring fling. Met other scared like rabbits APs. Not bad people. Just no stories worth telling. All perfect APs who make no mistakes and think they are better because they have drivers licenses.

Chapter 4: returned to AP no heat again

No one is buying my book with those chapters



Most successful APs I know live very quiet no stress lives. They find the edge, dig in, shut up, take the money, and move on with no drama. Nature of the business. They'd have to write a NYT best seller and publish it themselves to even come close to breaking even on their story. You are correct that their story in every case could be contained to one to a few pages at most.
Fortunately, the industry is full of characters, charlatans, and incompetents that make for good entertainment. Don't need to live that end in order to tell those stories though. To each their own.
AxelWolf
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March 22nd, 2019 at 1:52:11 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

I definitely go through some adventures

Fascinating stuff for a memoir AP book

Otherwise you would have

chapter 1:

No heat. Made thousands. Had dinner

Chapter 2:

No heat this chapter either. Made thousands. Had special dinner

Chapter 3:

No heat this chapter again. Took off for WOV spring fling. Met other scared like rabbits APs. Not bad people. Just no stories worth telling. All perfect APs who make no mistakes and think they are better because they have drivers licenses.

Chapter 4: returned to AP no heat again

No one is buying my book with those chapters



Um, who said they didn't make mistakes and were perfect? I think i said just the opposite.

perhaps Chapter 5 should be.... I make things out to be the opposite of what I have been actually told.


I have MANY very interesting AP and non AP stories that you wouldn't believe, along with witnesses and documents to back them up. I just don't feel the need to write about them all day long. Hell, just the other day I got cuffed and put in the back of a police car. Thank god they didn't search my jacket since I had $200 in $1 bills and $400 in $5 bills(that's how I roll) and they would have been really suspicious.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
rdw4potus
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March 22nd, 2019 at 1:57:28 PM permalink
Yeah... No heat, made thousands is what most of us are actually going for. It's kind of the whole point, really.
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darkoz
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March 22nd, 2019 at 2:02:59 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Um, who said they didn't make mistakes and were perfect? I think i said just the opposite.

perhaps Chapter 5 should be.... I make things out to be the opposite of what I have been actually told.


I have MANY very interesting AP and non AP stories that you wouldn't believe, along with witnesses and documents to back them up. I just don't feel the need to write about them all day long. Hell, just the other day I got cuffed and put in the back of a police car. Thank god they didn't search my jacket since I had $200 in $1 bills and $400 in $5 bills(that's how I roll) and they would have been really suspicious.



Stories that arent told are like trees that fall in the forest with no one around.

1) suspicious of $600?

2) 200 $1? You actually broke down large bills? The machines dont hand out more than 4 at a time. And why? What large scale play could possibly warrant that?

And since you say it looks suspicious there cant be any cover aspects to it.

3) cuffed and put into a police car for legal AP? And you arent considering a lawsuit?
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darkoz
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March 22nd, 2019 at 2:06:35 PM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

Yeah... No heat, made thousands is what most of us are actually going for. It's kind of the whole point, really.



Totally agree

I dont seek heat. Would love quiet

But as even Axel just posted APs wind up with stories to tell. Its a war and there are always some casualties in a war

Even secret wars!

I just enjoy sharing those stories.
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TomG
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March 22nd, 2019 at 2:35:35 PM permalink
Almost certainly illegal. If a casino was going to break the law to protect their profits, this would be one of the most inefficient ways to do it. I'm sure the lawyers wish it was true

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