Runlikegod777
Runlikegod777
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January 29th, 2019 at 4:58:38 AM permalink
This is a differet version of baccarat being played in california. This is at lucky chances casino I would like to know the house edges on the two bonus bets

first there is a pair bonus bet, based on if you bet player(then you need player to have pair o first two cards dealt) or if you bet dealer (then you need dealer side have a pair on first two cards dealt)

pair bonus bet
pair: 6:1
pair-same color 12:1
pair- same suit 25:1


2nd is a dragon bonus (different than the normal one, its based on if you bet player then you need player to win by x amount etc, if you bet dealer you need dealer to win by x)
natural 1:1
natural tie: push
four point spread: 1:1
five point spread: 2:1
six point spread: 4:1
seven point spread: 6:1
eight point spread: 10:1

what is the house edge on this bonus?
nine point spread 30:1
DogHand
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January 29th, 2019 at 5:25:44 AM permalink
Runlikegod777,

A few questions:

1. How many decks are used?

2. For the Dragon Bonus SB, do you lose if none of the listed outcomes occurs? For example, do you lose if your side wins a non-natural hand by three or less? Do you also lose on non-natural ties?

3. Finally, what is the penetration?

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Runlikegod777
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January 29th, 2019 at 4:10:10 PM permalink
8 decks, penetration is 6 decks. Yes you lose on the rest conditions not listed
Runlikegod777
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February 1st, 2019 at 4:25:47 AM permalink
anyone familar with this game, or know how to the calculations?
DogHand
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February 15th, 2019 at 10:41:04 AM permalink
Runlikegod777,

The Dragon Bonus sidebet has been analyzed by the WoO at this URL:

https://wizardofodds.com/games/baccarat/appendix/5/

Scroll down to "Dragon Bonus" to see that the house edge on the Player side is 2.65%, while on the Banker side it's 9.37%.

The Pair bet is easy to calculate: for any given card, the 8 decks contain 7 suited matches, 8 colored matches, and 16 colored matches, so you'll win the sidebet 31 times in 407 tries, and lose it the other 376 times.

On the wins you'll receive 7*25 + 8*12 + 16*6 = 367 units in 407 tries.

Thus, your edge is (367-376)/407 = -9/407 = -0.022113, or -2.21%: in other words, the house has a 2.21% edge over the player on this sidebet.

Hope this helps!

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Runlikegod777
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February 19th, 2019 at 11:33:07 AM permalink
DogHand thanks you the man. I'm surprised that pair bet is such a low house edge. I was estimating around 5%, thank you for clarifying that.
Runlikegod777
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May 18th, 2021 at 12:02:49 PM permalink
Could anyone verify the 2.21% house edge is right on the pair bet? My buddy thinks its 4.09% house edge on the pair bet.
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May 18th, 2021 at 12:19:28 PM permalink
Quote: Runlikegod777

Could anyone verify the 2.21% house edge is right on the pair bet? My buddy thinks its 4.09% house edge on the pair bet.


4.09% is correct. The 2.21% comes from miscounting the number of cards; there are 416 cards in 8 decks, but the calculation said there were only 408.

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