If you lay the 4 for $40 the vig is $1.

Why is the vig for buying a number based upon the amount of the bet while the vig for laying a number is based upon the expected win amount?

the Buy and Lay bets, as my understanding, came about the same time.Quote:FleaswatterWhy is the vig for buying a number based upon the amount of the bet while the vig for laying a number is based upon the expected win amount?

Both being a fair bet

the vig back then (early 1900s) was always collected when the bet was made.

The Buy bet house edge is about 4.76% on all numbers

where the Lay bet house edge is less than the buy. (depends on the number)

IF they charged the Lay the same as the Buy (on the bet) and they could have done just that,

the house edge would be higher than the Buy. That could make for less action using the Lay bets

it is just what they did way back to start and has stuck around

trying to make the Lay a better bet than the Buy without gouging the player.

(I did not find a clear answer to this in any of my old books)

interesting to find other thoughts on this

Quote:FleaswatterIf you buy the 4 for $40 the vig is $2.

If you lay the 4 for $40 the vig is $1.

Why is the vig for buying a number based upon the amount of the bet while the vig for laying a number is based upon the expected win amount?

A $20 buy bet on the 4 and a $40 lay bet against the 4 are actually the same bet.

You can choose either side of the bet and pay $1 (5% of the wager) as vig.

Quote:7crapsthe Buy and Lay bets, as my understanding, came about the same time.

Both being a fair bet

the vig back then (early 1900s) was always collected when the bet was made.

The Buy bet house edge is about 4.76% on all numbers

where the Lay bet house edge is less than the buy. (depends on the number)

IF they charged the Lay the same as the Buy (on the bet) and they could have done just that,

the house edge would be higher than the Buy. That could make for less action using the Lay bets

it is just what they did way back to start and has stuck around

trying to make the Lay a better bet than the Buy without gouging the player.

(I did not find a clear answer to this in any of my old books)

interesting to find other thoughts on this

Thank you sounds logical.

Quote:FCBLComishA $20 buy bet on the 4 and a $40 lay bet against the 4 are actually the same bet.

You can choose either side of the bet and pay $1 (5% of the wager) as vig.

I really do not understand you answer. 5% of the $40 lay bet wager is $2.

I agree that a casino will charge $1 on a $40 lay against the 4, but it is 5% of the expected win, not 5% of the wager

Quote:FleaswatterThank you sounds logical.

I really do not understand you answer. 5% of the $40 lay bet wager is $2.

I agree that a casino will charge $1 on a $40 lay against the 4, but it is 5% of the expected win, not 5% of the wager

I’ll try for him again. There’s one bet: will the four come before the seven. Taking the yes side (pays 2:1) is a “buy” and the no side is a “lay” (pays 1:2). It’s the same bet and the casino charges the same $ whichever side you take.

ETA: so if you and I are on the same table and you buy the four for $20 and I lay the 4 for $40, the house has a balanced book. Our bets cancel our for them. They are the “same” bet on different sides, and the casino charges the same price for both of them.

A $40 lay against the 4 wins $20 (net). Now you have a total of $60 in chips to your name. Same amount.

$1 cost for the same result, but you get to choose... 1/3 chance that $20 turns into $60, or 2/3 chance that $40 turns into $60.