100xOdds
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December 11th, 2018 at 6:37:18 AM permalink
in 3:2 bj, the house edge is ~0.5% but i've read the casino hold is ~15% because people play imperfectly.

Baccarat house edge is ~1% for both the banker and player, and 14% for a tie.
there are no options after picking a side.

curious what's the casino hold % since there's no player input?

edit:
HE for tie is 14%
Last edited by: 100xOdds on Dec 11, 2018
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December 11th, 2018 at 6:44:33 AM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

in 3:2 bj, the house edge is ~0.5% but i've read the casino hold is ~15% because people play imperfectly.

Baccarat house edge is ~1% for both the banker and player, and 8% for a tie.
there are no options after picking a side.

curious what's the casino hold % since there's no player input?



My experience is between 15%-20% but our games have side bets. Baccarat players also seem to bet a higher percentage of their buy-in per hand vs BJ.
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December 11th, 2018 at 6:44:48 AM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

in 3:2 bj, the house edge is ~0.5% but i've read the casino hold is ~15% because people play imperfectly.

Baccarat house edge is ~1% for both the banker and player, and 8% for a tie.
there are no options after picking a side.

curious what's the casino hold % since there's no player input?

Quote: wizard article

The house edge is 1.06% on the Banker Bet, 1.24% on the Player bet, 14.36% on the Tie bet, and 10.36% on the Pair bets.

So, House edge is somewhere between ~1.24% and ~14.36% depending on how daft the player is?

Also depends on definition of hold. For table games, it's calculated from buy-ins and cash-outs and is much greater than house edge.
Hold defined
The hold would be much more than house edge as the player rebets his chips throughout his session.
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December 11th, 2018 at 7:05:16 AM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

So, House edge is somewhere between ~1.24% and ~14.36% depending on how daft the player is?

Also depends on definition of hold.
For table games, it's calculated from buy-ins and cash-outs and is much greater than house edge.

Hold defined
The hold would be much more than house edge as the player rebets his chips throughout his session.


1) whoops.. corrected tie house edge in my OP.

2) ahh.. thx for the explanation on why hold % is much greater than house edge
Last edited by: 100xOdds on Dec 11, 2018
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December 11th, 2018 at 3:45:46 PM permalink
Yes. Even if you play Blackjack perfectly, if you play 30 times of your purchase, you're expected to lose about 15% on average.
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December 11th, 2018 at 3:51:40 PM permalink
Quote: BlackjackLover

Yes. Even if you play Blackjack perfectly, if you play 30 times of your purchase, you're expected to lose about 15% on average.

Odd you should mention 30x It's almost like we have to do that sometimes :o)
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December 12th, 2018 at 1:12:59 AM permalink
I probably have answered this exact question more than any other on various forums. At least a few times annually. It doesn't help that the Nevada gaming commission uses the generic term "Win Percentage" for both table games and machines when the way they calculate them are significantly different.
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December 12th, 2018 at 10:54:23 AM permalink
There is a big difference between "House Edge" and "Hold Percentage" I believe you are confusing the two terms.
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