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IAchance5
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October 26th, 2010 at 5:28:43 PM permalink
A casino that is in Biloxi, MS has some craps bonus bets which are probably sucker bets, but I was wonder what the probabilities were:

ALL OR NOTHING AT ALL
All the numbers BUT seven will be rolled before a 7.
Pays 175-to-1.

TWICE IS NICE
Any random “hardway”... 2 (1-1), 4 (2-2), 6 (3-3), 8 (4-4), 10 (5-5) or 12
(6-6)... will be rolled twice before a 7. Pays 6-to-1.

PETE & REPEAT
Any random number will be rolled twice before a 7.
Pays Even Money.

These seem like they have to be a lot harder than the payouts....so can anyone do the math?
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October 26th, 2010 at 6:34:31 PM permalink
The All bet is listed here: https://wizardofodds.com/craps/appendix4.html

The other bets may be there as well, or on other appendix pages.
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October 26th, 2010 at 6:50:23 PM permalink
somebody's been to the IP casino;-)
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October 27th, 2010 at 4:38:53 AM permalink
Quote: IAchance5

MS has some craps bonus bets which are probably sucker bets



"probably"?
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October 27th, 2010 at 5:34:21 AM permalink
Quote: RaleighCraps

somebody's been to the IP casino;-)

I suppose you're referring to me, but what has that got to do with anything? IP does NOT have that bet.
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October 27th, 2010 at 9:36:47 AM permalink
For Twice as Nice I get a probability of winning of 10.09%, and a house edge of 29.40%.

For Pete and Repeat I get a probability of winning of 47.11% and a house edge of 5.69%.

May I ask which casino this was seen at?

This reminds me of a joke that I love to use on anyone between the ages of about 4 to 7:

A: Pete and Repeat were in a boat. Pete fell out. Who is left?
B: Repeat.
A: Pete and Repeat were in a boat. Pete fell out. Who is left?
B: Repeat.
A: Pete and Repeat were in a boat. Pete fell out. Who is left?
B: Repeat.
(keep repeating infinitely, or until anyone over the age of 7 begs you two to stop.)
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October 27th, 2010 at 9:46:07 AM permalink
These bets were talked about in a previous thread.
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October 27th, 2010 at 10:16:57 AM permalink
Quote: miplet

These bets were talked about in a previous thread.



Thanks, I'm surprised I missed that first thread. These bets make for a great simple exercise in recursive programming.
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October 27th, 2010 at 12:19:39 PM permalink
Quote: IAchance5

A casino that is in Biloxi, MS has some craps bonus bets which are probably sucker bets, but I was wonder what the probabilities were:

ALL OR NOTHING AT ALL
All the numbers BUT seven will be rolled before a 7.
Pays 175-to-1.



How do they keep track of all this "middle of the table" action?

What happens if you have an, "All" bet working when the shooter makes a point and decides to walk away? Does your bet carry to the next shooter?
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October 27th, 2010 at 12:43:37 PM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

How do they keep track of all this "middle of the table" action?

What happens if you have an, "All" bet working when the shooter makes a point and decides to walk away? Does your bet carry to the next shooter?



I saw it at Sam's town, and they had little lammers for each number that'd they'd use to track what had already be rolled. They only came out if someone made the bet.

The bet is all numbers before a seven, so the next shooter would be up to continue the roll if someone walked away.
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October 27th, 2010 at 3:23:59 PM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

How do they keep track of all this "middle of the table" action?

What happens if you have an, "All" bet working when the shooter makes a point and decides to walk away? Does your bet carry to the next shooter?



As stated above, the next shooter would "finish" the previous shooter's rolling, and then still get to shoot his position. This occurs for the fire bet as well, which I have seen happen.

I have to say, for the 175 to 1 payout, 8% house edge is not awful.
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October 27th, 2010 at 3:51:12 PM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba


How do they keep track of all this "middle of the table" action?

What happens if you have an, "All" bet working when the shooter makes a point and decides to walk away? Does your bet carry to the next shooter?




Thank you all for the info. I can recall only a few times when I have seen rolls where every number was covered. It is a true longshot.
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October 28th, 2010 at 3:45:34 PM permalink
All these bets were at the Imperial Palace in Biloxi, MS.....
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November 17th, 2010 at 9:41:39 PM permalink
Ive seen this at the Silver Slipper in Mississippi. I was doing some casual playing & decided to bet on Small (2-6 before a 7). I just needed a 6, and would have won 32 units.

I like how the Slipper is set up because I can bet Small, Tall, and All. Small & Tall pay 32:1 and All pays 175:1. So if you have a bet on each section, you can win 239 units. Definitely not bad for a 3 chip bet. It may be a sucker bet, but none of the casino odds are stacked in the player's favor anyway.
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January 19th, 2011 at 7:27:27 PM permalink
A casino that is in Biloxi, MS has some craps bonus bets which are probably sucker bets, but I was wonder what the probabilities were:

ALL OR NOTHING AT ALL
All the numbers BUT seven will be rolled before a 7.
Pays 175-to-1.
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I went to Vegas and they had same side bet.
I happened to nail it with $5 bet and it paid $875 !!
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January 19th, 2011 at 7:34:38 PM permalink
Quote: rocketman

Ive seen this at the Silver Slipper in Mississippi. I was doing some casual playing & decided to bet on Small (2-6 before a 7). I just needed a 6, and would have won 32 units.

I like how the Slipper is set up because I can bet Small, Tall, and All. Small & Tall pay 32:1 and All pays 175:1. So if you have a bet on each section, you can win 239 units. Definitely not bad for a 3 chip bet. It may be a sucker bet, but none of the casino odds are stacked in the player's favor anyway.



Any bet that depends on escaping Ole Mister Seven for any appreciable length of time is definitely a longshot. If it pays great odds, it no doubt SHOULD pay even greater odds.
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