Shufflemaster verse hand shuffle
Now I have to ask with the hand shuffle you would see pocket bonuses every 7-10 hands and I assume thats why they paid much less on pocket bonus and had a max of only $10 on the pocket bonus? Upon returning to the NY casino (Rivers casino) I noticed $100 max on pocket bonus and much higher payouts though they do not hand shuffle just deal right from shuffle master machine. I have sat for hours with no pocket bonus at all verse seeing one every several hands when they do a hand shuffle.
I stuck up for the machine for the 1st year though seeing the difference and not seeing a bonus for 4-5 hours cant be a coincidence. They have to come out every so many hands I would think. Its a single card deck and I have sat a blackjack with a full table and see a blackjack every other deal with a full table and at Texas Hold Em I have sat hours without a black jack or Ace?
Is the Shuffle-master random? It does know the the 1st 5 cards out and then every 2 cards till the dealer takes his last 2 and that would always be the same because no one draws a card so nothing can change the your hand. I want to believe its random though I spent to many hours seeing no pocket bonuses come out to be random. Can this machine be programmed to payout more like a slot machine. Now please remember when Turning Stone hand shuffled that took every advantage away from the machine other than shuffling. Why wouldn't Rivers Casino do one hand shuffle to take the Shuffle-Master conspiracy out of the equation?
1. There are posts by people who have say they have acquired certain Shufflemaster shufflers and who have reported that they have no switch for random vs non-random shuffle and that they shuffle randomly.
2. Both Shufflemaster as a company and certain individual Shufflemaster shuffler devices have the technological capability to deal out cards in any predetermined sequence or according to any rules that they are programmed for.
However, the barrier against having shuffler devices that have software programs designed to increase the House Edge is that Shuffler systems must be certified by an Independent Gaming Laboratory and that the Independent Laboratory checks the device for randomness. I, and others, have studied this as best we can and the Laboratory protocols and procedures for checking the Shufflers devices seem to be sincere and professional. Could the testing protocols be beat? Or are they not enforced rigorously? Could shufflers be modified and rigged after they leave the certification lab? Could shady casinos in foreign countries or on Indian reservations use uncertified shufflers or otherwise rig they shufflers they do have? Everyone has opinions but no one seems to have credible specific information.
In general we seem to agree that Nevada, NJ and other major state-regulated casinos are the least likely candidates for rigged shufflers. Indian-regulated casinos can vary widely in the sincerity and independence of their outside regulation and certain self-regulated Indian casinos may have a higher chance of something dishonest going on. Casinos in Chile or Russia or Africa? Who knows, beware.
3. Casino advocates have posted in this forum repeatedly (and loudly and obnoxiously) that no casino would possibly rig a shuffler because they have too much to lose if they were caught. However, many gamblers in the forum think that is nonsense and in general don't believe that 100% of casinos have pristine immaculate morality and game integrity 100% of the time.
So, we keep our eyes open. We appreciate hearing any reports of observations of skewed outcomes such as yours. I predict that pro-casino zombies will insult you and mathematical skeptics will dismiss you unless you have impossible numbers of trials and unlikely levels of rigor in your record-keeping. But many of us will listen to what you say and think hard and cross-correlate with other things that we hear.
By the way, do you know the specific model of the Shufflemaster device in question?
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2. certain individual Shufflemaster shuffler devices have the technological capability to deal out cards in any predetermined sequence
Not sure if facts matter, but this is categorically false.
Quote: SM777Not sure if facts matter, but this is categorically false.
First, there is a Shufflemaster patent for shuffler technology to deal out cards in any predetermined sequence.
Secondly, there are Shufflemaster shuffler devices that identify every card that is stored in the machine and that deal the cards according to a sequence that is selected by a software program (as opposed to a sequence determined by mechanical shuffling of a stack.) However, the software program is apparently limited to (1) randomly generated sequences or (2) to rearranging the cards in a very limited number of sequences (such as an unshuffled deck). As an example: some shufflers for poker-variant tables games are programmed for one or more poker-variant games and are programmed to deal demonstration hands.
So the technological capability for dealing cards in any predetermined sequence does exist in some shufflers, but the software programs in the machines do not use that capability except in very limited ways. The barriers that exist to changing the machine software are institutional safeguards, but there is no meaningful technological barrier to doing so.
Quote: gordonm888First, there is a Shufflemaster patent for shuffler technology to deal out cards in any predetermined sequence.
Secondly, there are Shufflemaster shuffler devices that identify every card that is stored in the machine and that deal the cards according to a sequence that is selected by a software program (as opposed to a sequence determined by mechanical shuffling of a stack.) However, the software program is apparently limited to (1) randomly generated sequences or (2) to rearranging the cards in a very limited number of sequences (such as an unshuffled deck). As an example: some shufflers for poker-variant tables games are programmed for one or more poker-variant games and are programmed to deal demonstration hands.
So the technological capability for dealing cards in any predetermined sequence does exist in some shufflers, but the software programs in the machines do not use that capability except in very limited ways. The barriers that exist to changing the machine software are institutional safeguards, but there is no meaningful technological barrier to doing so.
Like I said, your statement is categorically false.
Dealing cards to a prearranged rule set such as 5 community cards and packets of two for Ultimate Texas Hold 'Em is not even close to the same thing as being able to program it to the deal 5 specific cards (2H, 3H, 4H, 5C, 6H) and then specific packet of two cards. Identifying and recognizing the 52 cards in the shuffler is also nowhere close to being able to deal specifically programmed cards as you suggested.
I think it is quite obvious you have no inner working knowledge of the shufflers.
Carry on.
Quote: SM777Like I said, your statement is categorically false.
Dealing cards to a prearranged rule set such as 5 community cards and packets of two for Ultimate Texas Hold 'Em is not even close to the same thing as being able to program it to the deal 5 specific cards (2H, 3H, 4H, 5C, 6H) and then specific packet of two cards. Identifying and recognizing the 52 cards in the shuffler is also nowhere close to being able to deal specifically programmed cards as you suggested.
I think it is quite obvious you have no inner working knowledge of the shufflers.
Carry on.
I am quite happy that people like you work in and run casinos.😃 It makes life so much easier.
Casino gets caught cheating. Gaming hands them a 100k fine.
Quote: SM777Like I said, your statement is categorically false.
Dealing cards to a prearranged rule set such as 5 community cards and packets of two for Ultimate Texas Hold 'Em is not even close to the same thing as being able to program it to the deal 5 specific cards (2H, 3H, 4H, 5C, 6H) and then specific packet of two cards. Identifying and recognizing the 52 cards in the shuffler is also nowhere close to being able to deal specifically programmed cards as you suggested.
I think it is quite obvious you have no inner working knowledge of the shufflers.
Carry on.
My statements are not false. I am not referring to the ability of a shuffler device to change the number and size of packets. I am referring to the fact that in certain specific shufflers the software program picks a card randomly, such as 6 clubs, and then picks the next card randomly, such as K of hearts and then will mechanically find and deal those cards. In these specific machines, the sequence of cards is NOT determined by a mechanical randomization process such as shuffling (one reason is that shuffling accelerates mechanical wear on the cards.) The sequence of cards is determined by a random number generator that identifies the card (Rank and suit) and then the shuffler device goes to the storage location of that card and removes it and "places it in the queue" for being dealt.
The fact that SM777 appears to be unaware that some modern shufflers no longer use mechanical processes to randomize cards is sad. He is not adding any specific content or apparent expertise to the discussion.
Quote: gordonm888The sequence of cards is determined by a random number generator that identifies the card (Rank and suit) and then the shuffler device goes to the storage location of that card and removes it and "places it in the queue" for being dealt.
At least you have back tracked a bit.
Originally your categorically incorrect statement was "Shufflemaster shuffler devices have the technological capability to deal out cards in ANY PREDETERMINED (emphasis: mine) sequence"
Now you have changed it to a random number generator then going to select, which is accurate depending on the shuffler you're referring to.
Quote: gordonm888The barriers that exist to changing the machine software are institutional safeguards, but there is no meaningful technological barrier to doing so.
the barriers only exist pre-install of the machines into the caisnos by companies who either have a limited or full view of the software... i just posted a link to slot machine PAR information, and in the one paper, it states that once the machines were on the floor, the odds were out of control, but were specifically talking about two of the same slot machines on the same floor in different locations and those two machines had different odds.
Quote: heatmapthe barriers only exist pre-install of the machines into the caisnos by companies who either have a limited or full view of the software... i just posted a link to slot machine PAR information, and in the one paper, it states that once the machines were on the floor, the odds were out of control, but were specifically talking about two of the same slot machines on the same floor in different locations and those two machines had different odds.
The slots are a completely different thing from a mechanical shuffler. Slots have a motherboard. There are EPROM chips they plug into those that play at specific return to player percentages (RTP). Lots of games have more than one EPROM chip possible.
The casino can select the RTP they want to offer, and rent/buy the specific chip that is hard-programmed to that RTP. Those chips are tested, certified, and sealed by an independent party, and can be audited.
Most jurisdictions have a minimum RTP by regulation. One of Gaming's jobs is to check those chips, that they haven't been replaced or tampered with.
As to Shuffle master machines, they are not non-random, except to put cards in sort order. This sort takes a special machine key. There is not a pre-programmed hand setting.
Some of the SHFL machines have an optical reader on the lip, which reads the values just before you see the cards. The casinos (some of them) use those to help the dealers set their hand correctly, or to track electronic or multi-table bonuses, so that all networked tables reset their jackpots in a timely way.
Others can randomize cards assigned to slots, but the randomizer still has to emulate a true card deck or decks. They're not pre-set.
Quote: SM777At least you have back tracked a bit.
Originally your categorically incorrect statement was "Shufflemaster shuffler devices have the technological capability to deal out cards in ANY PREDETERMINED (emphasis: mine) sequence"
Now you have changed it to a random number generator then going to select, which is accurate depending on the shuffler you're referring to.
The words "technological capability" do not mean "operational capability." I never claimed they had an operational capability -just that they have a technology that is capable of dealing a predetermined sequence if such a sequence is defined to it in its programming.
Quote: jws1217Ok fairly new to gaming until a new casino opened up (Rivers NY). I have been playing Texas hold em using a shuffle master at the casino for well over a year. I have sat and listened to everyone conspiracy theorizes about the Shuffle-master machine. Now I said no way until I took my son to a Indian reservation that used the same machine though the dealer did 1 hand shuffle before dealing. This removed any question about the Shuffle-Master dealing now it is random.
Now I have to ask with the hand shuffle you would see pocket bonuses every 7-10 hands and I assume thats why they paid much less on pocket bonus and had a max of only $10 on the pocket bonus? Upon returning to the NY casino (Rivers casino) I noticed $100 max on pocket bonus and much higher payouts though they do not hand shuffle just deal right from shuffle master machine. I have sat for hours with no pocket bonus at all verse seeing one every several hands when they do a hand shuffle.
I stuck up for the machine for the 1st year though seeing the difference and not seeing a bonus for 4-5 hours cant be a coincidence. They have to come out every so many hands I would think. Its a single card deck and I have sat a blackjack with a full table and see a blackjack every other deal with a full table and at Texas Hold Em I have sat hours without a black jack or Ace?
Is the Shuffle-master random? It does know the the 1st 5 cards out and then every 2 cards till the dealer takes his last 2 and that would always be the same because no one draws a card so nothing can change the your hand. I want to believe its random though I spent to many hours seeing no pocket bonuses come out to be random. Can this machine be programmed to payout more like a slot machine. Now please remember when Turning Stone hand shuffled that took every advantage away from the machine other than shuffling. Why wouldn't Rivers Casino do one hand shuffle to take the Shuffle-Master conspiracy out of the equation?
To answer your question simply, there is no difference between a good hand shuffle procedure and a shufflemaster shuffle. And there are mo casinos that base their odd payouts based on what type of shuffle is being used.
ZCore13
Quote: beachbumbabs
As to Shuffle master machines, they are not non-random, except to put cards in sort order. This sort takes a special machine key. There is not a pre-programmed hand setting.
Some of the SHFL machines have an optical reader on the lip, which reads the values just before you see the cards. The casinos (some of them) use those to help the dealers set their hand correctly, or to track electronic or multi-table bonuses, so that all networked tables reset their jackpots in a timely way.
Others can randomize cards assigned to slots, but the randomizer still has to emulate a true card deck or decks. They're not pre-set.
But... But... But... Gordon says otherwise!! You must be wrong!!!!
It's nice to see actual facts presented.
2nd Now look at the payout at Rivers. You can play $100 max on pocket bonus and bets get paid from 1-1 for a straight up to 500-1 for a Royal. When I played with the Shuffle-master last on a busy night with only me and 1 other player at the table it seemed, No it was unable to deal us a winning hand. Only when the other player had no more money and left my next hand was pocket Aces?? The dealer would of got them had the 1 player not got up as the machine didnt know there would be one less player that hand until the dealer told it to when he took his 2 cards and hit the button to dispense the rest of the deck. Now the machine knows only 1 player so then the next 2 hands I lost. Just then another player sat to my left again his first hand Ace with a face card again that would of been the dealers card though the machine didnt know a additional player just sat down. Again the machine didnt know when a player would get up or sit down until the following hand and now that is random.
I noticed on a busy weekend the average player only stays for maybe 15 min or looses a quick $100 bucks and moves on. Though A few days later I sat and watched in a single deck with 6 players playing 20 games so that ts 120 hands not one Ace with a face cards (no pocket bonus). Now I walk over to any blackjack table and watch 120 hands dealt and I will 1st see dozens of Aces and several black jacks???
This Shuffle-Master has the ability and does read every card. It shuffles them and even puts them back in order when it is time to change the cards. So why couldn't it be possible to just adjust wining percentage like a slot machine. I am not calling this cheating I am just saying its not random. A hand shuffle that I watch is 100% random. That is my question. I see the odds change to much on the machine. Some days normal payouts though on busy nights seems you cant catch a face card for a hour? Its a single deck so it is not rocket science to figure out with 6 players and the dealers 2 cards how many face cards should come out?
Again just wondering if the win percentage can be adjusted like a slot machine? The machine says Shuffle-Master not random Shuffle-master.
Quote: jws1217What I am getting at is can they set a predetermined amount/percentage of wins to the casino like a slot machine?
No. That is a fact.
Quote: jws12171st I never stated I have any knowledge of the inner working of the Shuffle-master machine. What I am getting at is can they set a predetermined amount/percentage of wins to the casino like a slot machine? Again not calling it cheating because a slot machine is not cheating me when it pay back 98% or 80% it just the house edge. When the casino says it is random every time I say BS because it says Shuffle-Master not random Shuffle-Master. I sat at enough games where the dealer shuffles after the cards come out of the machine verse the cards being dealt right to the players from the machine and wow what a difference. When visiting Turning Stone casino they did a 1 had shuffle when removing the cards then dealt and had many more bonus payout on the pocket pair and maybe that is why they had a $10 max bet on pocket pair bet and they only pay out 1-1 on your bet regardless if you get a straight or Royal flush it is just a just 1-1 payout. Why they have many more payouts.
2nd Now look at the payout at Rivers. You can play $100 max on pocket bonus and bets get paid from 1-1 for a straight up to 500-1 for a Royal. When I played with the Shuffle-master last on a busy night with only me and 1 other player at the table it seemed, No it was unable to deal us a winning hand. Only when the other player had no more money and left my next hand was pocket Aces?? The dealer would of got them had the 1 player not got up as the machine didnt know there would be one less player that hand until the dealer told it to when he took his 2 cards and hit the button to dispense the rest of the deck. Now the machine knows only 1 player so then the next 2 hands I lost. Just then another player sat to my left again his first hand Ace with a face card again that would of been the dealers card though the machine didnt know a additional player just sat down. Again the machine didnt know when a player would get up or sit down until the following hand and now that is random.
I noticed on a busy weekend the average player only stays for maybe 15 min or looses a quick $100 bucks and moves on. Though A few days later I sat and watched in a single deck with 6 players playing 20 games so that ts 120 hands not one Ace with a face cards (no pocket bonus). Now I walk over to any blackjack table and watch 120 hands dealt and I will 1st see dozens of Aces and several black jacks???
This Shuffle-Master has the ability and does read every card. It shuffles them and even puts them back in order when it is time to change the cards. So why couldn't it be possible to just adjust wining percentage like a slot machine. I am not calling this cheating I am just saying its not random. A hand shuffle that I watch is 100% random. That is my question. I see the odds change to much on the machine. Some days normal payouts though on busy nights seems you cant catch a face card for a hour? Its a single deck so it is not rocket science to figure out with 6 players and the dealers 2 cards how many face cards should come out?
Again just wondering if the win percentage can be adjusted like a slot machine? The machine says Shuffle-Master not random Shuffle-master.
They have no percentage setting. They are not capable of that. They shuffle cards inside. Some have a setting to sort cards into new deck order. Some can read the cards as they are coming out. None read the cards and then deal in any pre-determined way.
ZCore13
Quote: jws1217
Again just wondering if the win percentage can be adjusted like a slot machine? The machine says Shuffle-Master not random Shuffle-master.
I have never found a public statement by Shufflemaster that asserts that their shuffler machines are (or are not) random or that describes their capabilities in any way. I also have been unable to find any public statements by casinos that assert that their games are fair and have integrity -they are just silent on this subject.
Game integrity is essentially the province of the state regulatory entities and they simply assert that the gambling devices and casino operations have complied with the requirements that are laid out in their regulations. If you gamble in Nevada, New Jersey or California then that system probably works pretty well. If you gamble in Uzbekistan, then I have no idea. And SM777 and Zcore13 have no idea either.
Indeed, I believe that the kinds of statements being made by SM777 and Zcore13 far exceed anything that has been openly stated by any public spokesman for Shufflemaster or a casino operator. I invite SM777 and Zcore13 to refer us to any written filing or public statement by Shufflemaster or an executive of a casino operations corporation that matches their claims.
Quote: jws1217Thank you all for your answers. As the machine is random then I have seen the most amazing hands/runs ever seen at a table favor the house. If any player got the cards the dealer received they would have one hell of a run.
you give up too easily friend, but thats what they want.
Quote: gordonm888Indeed, I believe that the kinds of statements being made by SM777 and Zcore13 far exceed anything that has been openly stated by any public spokesman for Shufflemaster or a casino operator. I invite SM777 and Zcore13 to refer us to any written filing or public statement by Shufflemaster or an executive of a casino operations corporation that matches their claims.
pennsylvania has a law for their stadium roulette
§ 605a.6. Integrated live Roulette wheels used on fully automated electronic
gaming tables.
(a) A fully automated electronic gaming table with an integrated live Roulette wheel
must randomize the method by which the outcome is determined. This includes, but is not
limited to the speed at which the ball is ejected onto the wheel and the speed at which the wheel
rotates.
(b) A fully automated electronic gaming table with an integrated live Roulette wheel
must be capable of determining if the wheel meets a 95% confidence limit using a standard chisquared
test for goodness of fit. The calculation must be made based on the following criteria:
(1) Ten thousand outcomes have been generated.
(2) A new calculation must be made for each 10,000 subsequent outcomes.
(3) The calculation must consider only the most recent 10,000 outcomes.
(c) A fully automated electronic gaming table with an integrated live Roulette wheel
must be capable of displaying a visual notification, clearable by an attendant, if at any time the
live Roulette wheel has failed the chi-squared test for goodness of fit under subsection (b).
(d) A fully automated electronic gaming table with an integrated live Roulette wheel
must be capable of disabling play in the event that the wheel has failed to meet the 95%
confidence limit for goodness of fit test required under subsection (b) for two consecutive testing
periods. Attendant interaction shall be required before enabling the table for play.
Quote: gordonm888I have never found a public statement by Shufflemaster that asserts that their shuffler machines are (or are not) random or that describes their capabilities in any way. I also have been unable to find any public statements by casinos that assert that their games are fair and have integrity -they are just silent on this subject.
Game integrity is essentially the province of the state regulatory entities and they simply assert that the gambling devices and casino operations have complied with the requirements that are laid out in their regulations. If you gamble in Nevada, New Jersey or California then that system probably works pretty well. If you gamble in Uzbekistan, then I have no idea. And SM777 and Zcore13 have no idea either.
Indeed, I believe that the kinds of statements being made by SM777 and Zcore13 far exceed anything that has been openly stated by any public spokesman for Shufflemaster or a casino operator. I invite SM777 and Zcore13 to refer us to any written filing or public statement by Shufflemaster or an executive of a casino operations corporation that matches their claims.
Wait, so you accused me in an earlier post of having no expertise on the situation, and adding nothing? When in reality it is you, the mathematician, who has no inner knowledge of the shuffler, and are now looking for a statement linked to prove something? Why would Shufflemaster put out a statement saying their shufflers aren't rigged? Do you even have any idea what you're typing at this point?
And now you have totally backtracked on literally everything you said. Which is indeed the right move, because your opening post was filled with absurdities which were already pointed out.
The shuffler in Uzbekistan and New Jersey are the exact same. The software loaded on there is provided by Shufflemaster. Maybe you're trying to say New Jersey is more regulated than an obscure country, which is accurate. But you're still failing to understand the newest software they have that is approved in New Jersey is the same software that would be sent to Uzbekistan. Shufflemaster doesn't sell a poker shuffler with New Jersey software and a poker shuffler with a rigged programmable Uzbekistan software.
Please, go find one of the math problem threads. You have nothing to offer here.
Quote: gordonm888My statements are not false. I am not referring to the ability of a shuffler device to change the number and size of packets. I am referring to the fact that in certain specific shufflers the software program picks a card randomly, such as 6 clubs, and then picks the next card randomly, such as K of hearts and then will mechanically find and deal those cards. In these specific machines, the sequence of cards is NOT determined by a mechanical randomization process such as shuffling (one reason is that shuffling accelerates mechanical wear on the cards.) The sequence of cards is determined by a random number generator that identifies the card (Rank and suit) and then the shuffler device goes to the storage location of that card and removes it and "places it in the queue" for being dealt.
You are not quite correct. The shuffler uses an RNG to take the nth card from the pile and deal it. So, #15 out of 52 followed by #41 of 51 followed by.... well you get the idea.
Quote: onenickelmiracleThe shufflers being random, I think they should make the machines absolutely clear and see-through. I don't think anyone could see what the cards were in the deck unless sitting on the ground, but if the shuffle was weird and purposeful, people might be able to tell. There really isn't a good reason to hide the shuffle.
ive read somewhere that the original shuffle machines were actually see through for this purpose
Quote: onenickelmiracleThe shufflers being random, I think they should make the machines absolutely clear and see-through. I don't think anyone could see what the cards were in the deck unless sitting on the ground, but if the shuffle was weird and purposeful, people might be able to tell. There really isn't a good reason to hide the shuffle.
The most common shuffler I've seen puts the cards in a paddle-wheel configuration. You can see many of the card faces. So at least for that mechanism, the case needs to be opaque.
Quote: gordonm888I have never found a public statement by Shufflemaster that asserts that their shuffler machines are (or are not) random or that describes their capabilities in any way. I also have been unable to find any public statements by casinos that assert that their games are fair and have integrity -they are just silent on this subject.
Game integrity is essentially the province of the state regulatory entities and they simply assert that the gambling devices and casino operations have complied with the requirements that are laid out in their regulations. If you gamble in Nevada, New Jersey or California then that system probably works pretty well. If you gamble in Uzbekistan, then I have no idea. And SM777 and Zcore13 have no idea either.
Indeed, I believe that the kinds of statements being made by SM777 and Zcore13 far exceed anything that has been openly stated by any public spokesman for Shufflemaster or a casino operator. I invite SM777 and Zcore13 to refer us to any written filing or public statement by Shufflemaster or an executive of a casino operations corporation that matches their claims.
So In a nutshell, you’re admitting that everything you’ve stated thus far about these shuffle machines is assumptions and all out guesses
Quote: michael99000So In a nutshell, you’re admitting that everything you’ve stated thus far about these shuffle machines is assumptions and all out guesses
DING DING DING DING!!!!
The machines are verified by Gaming Labs International (GLI). Their website is https://gaminglabs.com/
I am sure they would be happy to give you information on their certifications and what they mean.
Quote: FCBLComishGordon,
The machines are verified by Gaming Labs International (GLI). Their website is https://gaminglabs.com/
I am sure they would be happy to give you information on their certifications and what they mean.
im sorry but have you even read their website?
http://gaminglabs.com/gli-standards/
clearly states :
GLI’s business is to test, review and report on gaming devices and systems against the standards established by relevant gaming jurisdictions worldwide.
------>>>Each jurisdiction has the authority to set their own standards; however, many use our standards as a starting point in developing their regulations. <<<<-----
they have the right to set their own standards. they dont have to use their standards if they dont want to. now based on this, usually the standards are made into laws if you want to enforce anything legally. So based on all of this, we can then say that if a jurisdiction DOES NOT have laws against, lets say setting up a shoe of cards into a specific order, then its not illegal and a casino can do it if they want. The GLI standards are a mere suggestion.
Quote: heatmapim sorry but have you even read their website?
http://gaminglabs.com/gli-standards/
clearly states :
GLI’s business is to test, review and report on gaming devices and systems against the standards established by relevant gaming jurisdictions worldwide.
------>>>Each jurisdiction has the authority to set their own standards; however, many use our standards as a starting point in developing their regulations. <<<<-----
they have the right to set their own standards. they dont have to use their standards if they dont want to. now based on this, usually the standards are made into laws if you want to enforce anything legally. So based on all of this, we can then say that if a jurisdiction DOES NOT have laws against, lets say setting up a shoe of cards into a specific order, then its not illegal and a casino can do it if they want. The GLI standards are a mere suggestion.
This is #FakeNews for the USA. To my knowledge every state gaming commission with table games is a GLI jurisdiction. Maybe a few would accept BMM in place of GLI, but I don't know of any off hand. They all follow GLI, if they approve it, they accept it.
