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Wizard
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September 30th, 2018 at 4:00:07 PM permalink
Assuming Babs and Miplet are right about the rules, which seems logical, then here are my results of the base game.

Event Pays Combinations Probability Return
Win with three dragons 22 685,860 0.001494 0.032863
Win with three phoenixes 9 1,095,395 0.002386 0.021471
Win with other three of a kind 6 12,597,063 0.027436 0.164614
With with pair of pandas or better 3 90,652,512 0.197436 0.592307
Other win 2 113,820,564 0.247894 0.495789
Push 0 5,423,068 0.011811 0.000000
Fold -2 87,494,400 0.190558 -0.381115
Loss -3 147,380,738 0.320986 -0.962959
Total 459,149,600 1.000000 -0.037030


I find the advice given in the help files of raising on phoenix-panda-rabbit or better to be correct.

The house edge, measured as the ratio of the expected loss to the Ante bet only, is 3.70%, as shown in the table above.

The player will raise 81% of the time, for an average final wager of 2.8094425. The element of risk is thus 1.32%.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
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October 1st, 2018 at 6:28:25 AM permalink
My WoO page on Dragon Poker is up.

As always, I welcome all questions, comments, and corrections.
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October 1st, 2018 at 7:40:26 AM permalink
I played the practice game and my experience was same as BBB. A lot of losing.

I like my games to have a little more strategy.
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October 1st, 2018 at 9:33:11 AM permalink
Quote: FinsRule

I played the practice game and my experience was same as BBB. A lot of losing.

I like my games to have a little more strategy.



To play the devil's advocate, the structure and experience in this game mimics that of Three Card Poker, and that game made out pretty well.
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October 1st, 2018 at 9:38:07 AM permalink
I have played the practice game for a while. It is too simple for my taste. It is like three card poker with:

- more frequent pairing
- no straights or flushes
- one wild card (that can only pair)
- less frequent folding
- more bonus payout hands

Like 3CP, it has one dumb-cluck decision. Overall, it is boring.
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Thanks for this post from:
mrsuit31
October 1st, 2018 at 10:06:15 AM permalink
I'm going to try to play it at the Rio when I get half a chance to go out that way. As was said earlier, I think it is easier to protect a game, intellectually, with unique cards or other equipment. I don't like jokers though. Had they consulted me, I'd have recommended against it. Plus the thing about Fire and Water Dragons is rather confusing.
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FinsRule
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October 1st, 2018 at 1:34:28 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

To play the devil's advocate, the structure and experience in this game mimics that of Three Card Poker, and that game made out pretty well.



I agree, but I donít like playing 3 card for more than 10 minutes either.

I dont think most people enjoy learning new games, so I am kinda bearish on this.

I like Pai Gow poker and tiles.

My ultimate game would be Pai Gow Draw poker, but I donít have the time or energy to sell it to casinos.
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October 1st, 2018 at 1:44:07 PM permalink
Quote: FinsRule

I like Pai Gow ... tiles.



I think that is all you need to say. I prefer the thinking games too.
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October 1st, 2018 at 3:46:06 PM permalink
Thanks Wizard for the analysis of Dragon Poker. The Dragon Bonus payouts is "to 1" instead of "for 1" (the bet stays on the layout) so the HA is more around 15% instead of 24%.
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October 1st, 2018 at 3:57:08 PM permalink
Quote: Settle813

Thanks Wizard for the analysis of Dragon Poker. The Dragon Bonus payouts is "to 1" instead of "for 1" (the bet stays on the layout) so the HA is more around 15% instead of 24%.



You're welcome. Thank you for that correction. I played until I had a winning Tiger Bonus hand and can confirm that you're right.
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