## Poll

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beachbumbabs
Joined: May 21, 2013
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June 7th, 2018 at 7:52:38 AM permalink
Quote: charliepatrick

I'm not sure how you can get a 0-point hand since you only subtract 10 if the total is over 10. A simple idea is If you add up all five cards and ignore the 10's then if you can qualify you are subtracting 10's so the last digit of the 2-card hand will be the same (or 10 if the digit is 0). Without a joker there is only one possible total, albeit you may be able to make it different ways (e.g. T7643 = T73/64 or T64/73; both total=30 so lo hand = 10).

With a joker you have a variety of totals which will be something like 32 35 38, 35 38 41, 29 32 35; thus the difference between them is 3 and if you can make a 5 then the other totals will include an 8 or 9 (as well as a 1 or 2).

Note According to the wizard write-up a picture card is worth 10 and all other cards are positive, thus two cards cannot add up to 0. The rule about exceeding ten says

Quote: https://wizardofodds.com/games/saigon-5-card/

the point value of the remaining two cards shall be the sum of the point value of the two cards, except if that total is greater than 10, then ten will be subtracted from the total.

Thus were people assuming two picture cards were considered as zero (e.g. TT866)?

I was, anyway. Could easily be wrong. But there's only 1 way to qualify that example hand, which is 866 down and TT up, which is 20 and greater than 10, so isn't that zero? Maybe it becomes 10?
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Wizard

Joined: Oct 14, 2009
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June 7th, 2018 at 7:57:20 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

I was, anyway. Could easily be wrong. But there's only 1 way to qualify that example hand, which is 866 down and TT up, which is 20 and greater than 10, so isn't that zero? Maybe it becomes 10?

TT is worth 10. For anything over 10 you subtract 10. It works out the same as baccarat, except there you subtract 10 for anything over 9.
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UCivan
Joined: Sep 3, 2011
• Posts: 839
June 18th, 2018 at 7:46:10 AM permalink
Has anyone mentioned Saigon 5 was field trialed at Gold Coast, Vegas? But, the rules were slightly different, if my memory serves me well: no joker, and with a "pot" side bet. House makes no money on "pot". The game was always packed during its short life span. Packed? because the house was losing money everyday, per TGD (low house edge). The other reason for its quick removal was that the eye-in-the-sky could not easily spot whether the dealer set the hand correctly or not, because there are so many options. There are ways to improve the game, but the inventor never tried after removal. I also saw an on-line version somewhere.
Last edited by: UCivan on Jun 18, 2018
Tyk8989
Joined: Aug 29, 2018