Betting from the Don'ts - what's your style?

I've been experimenting with betting from Don'ts for awhile, but I haven't seen too many different strategies out there. I noticed a couple of styles and was curious if anyone had a different strategy?

Don't Betting Styles
1.) Don't Pass w/o odds - see a fair number of people betting this way. I assume limited bankrolls is why they're not taking the free odds or because they can't stomach the less than 1:1 payout on the odds. (free odds, ha nothing is free)

2.) Also see people betting Don't Come....the style is similar to #1 so understandable to me.

3.) Occasionally see people laying the 4 or 10. I dabble in this.

4.) Also see people doing the place 6/8 1 unit and lay the 4/10 2 units. I have mixed feelings about this for 3 units of total action in play. I'd rather revert to styles 1, 2, or 3.

What do you Don't Bettors out there do?

play baccarat

When I play craps I try to stay one one side of the betting, so when I play the don't I stick to the don't pass along with some occasional don't come bets, laying odds for both. I've never tried a lay bet itself... the commission puts me off, but I'd probably do that over doing any place bets while betting from the don't.

Mixing place bets when playing don't pass just seems to be a way to hedge bets, really. I have had some dealers encourage me to put money on Any 7, but the HE for that bet is awful.

Anyway, playing the don't can be a lonely affair, so sometimes paying the extra 0.01 - 0.05 % HE is worth being able to cheer along with the table, you know?

Quote: ElectricDreams

Mixing place bets when playing don't pass just seems to be a way to hedge bets, really.

I've never thought of it that way. Lets say you are past that first hurdle: That most likely number of seven did NOT roll on the shooter's come out roll, he happened to establish a point of 4. You are happy. Or atleast you are happier than if you had already lost. Now its a "race" between the least-likely 4, and the most-likely 7. Meanwhile, if he is going to roll any numbers he is more likely to roll a 6 than a 4 so why not place it. You've got a chance. If the place bet wins, take it down and let your luck ride on that existing DontPass bet of hoping for that most-likely 7 rather than the least-likely 4 that everyone else is hoping for.

I'd prefer to simply win and let the cheering go to those who want to cheer.

"Free" odds? Well, they nick you on Line bets and they nick you on Place bets... they don't nick you on the odds bet. Their beak stays dry on the odds bets. So "free" it is.

Hesitancy to Lay odds rather than Take odds? For some, yes.

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Don't Betting Styles
1.) Don't Pass w/o odds - see a fair number of people betting this way. I assume limited bankrolls is why they're not taking the free odds or because they can't stomach the less than 1:1 payout on the odds. (free odds, ha nothing is free)

The term, "free odds" is very much valid, because almost every other bet in the casino carries an inherent house advantage. That advantage is the "cost" of making a casino bet. For instance, a $100 pass line bet costs $1.41. The odds bet, however, costs nothing, so it is indeed a "free" bet; the house books it for you without charging you a fee (the house advantage).

I am on the same page on the Pass/Odds situation. Yes, I realize that the Don't Pass/Lay is a better advantage. But it requires more money and you don't get to join in the excitement unless you want to be absolutely despised. If I am choosing to play craps, I won't play the Don'ts.

Quote: marangil

I am on the same page on the Pass/Odds situation. you don't get to join in the excitement unless you want to be absolutely despised. If I am choosing to play craps, I won't play the Don'ts.

My take on playing the don'ts is usually a bias toward the actual individuals shooting. Sure everything is random. But since its my bet, if I don't like how they toss the dice (eye-closers), if they act like pricks at the table (drunk or obnoxious), or if the winning streak feels like its coming to the end ("parlay everything"), I'll be a Darksider. Bahahahahha.

Don't see too much variation in Darksider bets though.

Quote: marangil

I am on the same page on the Pass/Odds situation. Yes, I realize that the Don't Pass/Lay is a better advantage. But it requires more money and you don't get to join in the excitement unless you want to be absolutely despised. If I am choosing to play craps, I won't play the Don'ts.

I've played on a few tables in the past year where almost everyone was playing the Don't. I am a Do player 99% of the time, but I will not play from the PL if 6 out of 8 players are all on the Don't, especially when the shooter is on the Don't. Anyway, it is quite funny to be playing on a table of Dont's and 7 out is the call, and the table cheers. It is quite comical.

When I am playing the Don't I get bored, so I will usually add a DC bet as well. I will take odds on all but the 6/8 I will only take 1x or 2x. Also, if I manage to get a couple of outside numbers up on the dark side, I am likely to place the 6/8, hoping the shooter throws them. I will not press them, but I do leave them up. If the shooter hits both numbers once, or hits one number twice, the bet has paid for itself.

My buddy plays the Don't all the time. He puts $10 on the DP, and then lays the 4 for $50 active on the come out roll as well. If a 7 rolls, he loses $10 on the DP, but wins $25 on the Lay 4. A 2 or 3, he wins the $10 DP, a 12 is a push. If a 4 rolls, he loses his lay bet, but now he has a great number to lay full odds on his DP. It is a real grind system. He plays for quite some time, but never wins or loses much.

I play the don't pass with odds and a few don't comes with odds when I play wrong. Usually I lay up to 5x the flat bet, just to make things easier for payouts. I notice NOBODY plays this way from the don'ts. Some people lay a bunch against the main point, but don't make any DC bets. Others stack it all up on the DP. I like the DC because it makes the action a little more interesting.

Quote: teddys

I like the DC because it makes the action a little more interesting.

I agree. I also like that when a 7 is rolled, all your DC bets (if they made it past their individual come out roll obviously) resolve at once! Awesome! No more waiting with all that money out!

The don't as well, of course.

Quote: RaleighCraps

I've played on a few tables in the past year where almost everyone was playing the Don't.

The closest I got to that was when I table cleared out while I was playing the don't. Now all the sudden the dealers could cheer on my side! "C'mon seven! Here we go seven!"

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I've never thought of it that way. Lets say you are past that first hurdle: That most likely number of seven did NOT roll on the shooter's come out roll, he happened to establish a point of 4. You are happy. Or atleast you are happier than if you had already lost. Now its a "race" between the least-likely 4, and the most-likely 7. Meanwhile, if he is going to roll any numbers he is more likely to roll a 6 than a 4 so why not place it. You've got a chance. If the place bet wins, take it down and let your luck ride on that existing DontPass bet of hoping for that most-likely 7 rather than the least-likely 4 that everyone else is hoping for.

I mean, yeah, but if you're going to place why not just stay on one side and lay the 10 or something? Place betting while betting the don't seems like doing red and black on roulette... you're just going to grind a lot more. Hey, whatever floats your boat though, right? :-)

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Others stack it all up on the DP. I like the DC because it makes the action a little more interesting.

I don't play the Don'ts all that often, but when I do I prefer the DC just to avoid that potential string of naturals on the come out.

When you all play Don't Come, do you normally play from the 1st or last position? I like to be 1 left of the stickman and it seems like I would have to reach over to put down a Don't Come. Would I just tell the croupier place X on the Don't Come instead of reaching over?

Where I play, the dealers will not place the DC for you. I've heard them tell players to take a place closer to the DC box, if they were going to play the Don'ts.

If I was at a table full of don't players, then I would happily play the don't side. I think what it comes down to is that if I am playing craps instead of BJ I am accepting a greater house edge for the purpose of more excitement. As such, I like to join in the table fun.

All that being said, I have never seen a table full of don't players. The PA Sands in Bethlehem is where I play these days for craps and its a suprisingly fair game. 3-4-5 with no commission on 4, 5, 9, 10 unless you win. Makes them kind of attractive to buy if you are bored waiting for a point.

$5 don't pass with 2x odds. place 6/8 for 1x unit. Makes it really fun when there is a 4. Someone calculate the probability of:

B. Not rolling a 6,7,8 before a 4.

The only time this sucks is when someone rolls a lot of 7 or 11's on the come out roll.

Quote: Triplell

$5 don't pass with 2x odds. place 6/8 for 1x unit. Makes it really fun when there is a 4.

Someone calculate the probability of:
B. Not rolling a 6,7,8 before a 4.

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I bet do and don't depending on my mood, but when I play don'ts I start with just the don't pass and wait for my seven. If I've won a couple times then if it's 4 or 10 on the come out I'll put down a don't come as well expecting it to take a while for the 4/10 to resolve. If I'm really doing well on the don'ts then will I put a don't come right after the come out regardless of the point. Although I always get anxious if I get stuck straddling 6 and 8 on a don't pass/don't come. I typically only risk two don't bets going at the same time. It's always nice to have just one number controlling your win once the point is established.

I try to bet don'ts close to a dealer so I have easy access to the don't come, but I have played don't come beside the stickman and just toss the bet over to the dealer and call for the don't come. I've never been taken to task over it.

Lay the point and get up on one or two numbers. Down on the lay bet. Maybe a dollar yo or even two-way yo. Lay odds if feeling lucky.