Sic Bo Confusion
August 16th, 2017 at 5:42:25 AM
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Hi there. So I played Sic Bo for the first time. I had fun and ended up $50. I was lucky enough to have the table to myself. However, during my time, someone else joined. I put my chips down then they did and then there was mass confusion. I asked the dealer how are we supposed to know who bet what and she had no idea. I was told discrepancies happen a lot. So I immediately put my chips in the upper left corner of each box to know which were mine. But with many people betting at once, even with the split tables, I can't possibly see how people don't steal-was also warned about this, dispute, or just get very confused. Any tips on how to avoid this? I know this game doesn't have the best odds in the world, but I had fun playing it and may want to try it again, if the confusion issue gets sorted out. I'm probably missing something here. Thanks!
August 16th, 2017 at 6:46:00 AM
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A good dealer should know who bet what. Positioning the bets according to the table position of who made the bet can help. However, not all dealers are good dealers. You pretty much have to just remember what you bet. It is indeed a form of cheating to steal bets you didn't make in games like this.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
August 16th, 2017 at 7:13:16 AM
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When I used to play in AC, there were several times they had to go to the tapes to decide who had bet what. Twice I had a dispute with someone over which of us had bet what. As the difference was only a dollar each time, I let it go rather than stop the game. It can get confusing with several people playing.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
August 16th, 2017 at 7:38:27 AM
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Where is there Sic Bo in Vegas?
I got a plan, we take all your picks we reverse them like one of those twilight zone episodes where everything is the opposite. You say "black" we go white.
August 16th, 2017 at 7:50:43 AM
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Quote: VCUSkyhawkWhere is there Sic Bo in Vegas?
The only place I've seen it there was in connection with a Pai Gow Poker (might've been tiles) table at Bellagio.
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August 16th, 2017 at 8:01:58 AM
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Quote: WizardA good dealer should know who bet what. Positioning the bets according to the table position of who made the bet can help. However, not all dealers are good dealers. You pretty much have to just remember what you bet. It is indeed a form of cheating to steal bets you didn't make in games like this.
My dealer friends in AC hated getting stuck at SicBo. It was almost punishment.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
August 16th, 2017 at 8:03:42 AM
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Quote: billryanMy dealer friends in AC hated getting stuck at SicBo. It was almost punishment.
That or Casino War.
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August 16th, 2017 at 3:42:38 PM
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Quote: VCUSkyhawkWhere is there Sic Bo in Vegas?
I've seen it fairly recently at the Palace Station and about a year ago at the New York New York. Can't guarantee they are still there.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
August 16th, 2017 at 4:28:18 PM
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I wrote to the old WOO site around 1999 with a question on sic bo and after several posters gave me wrong information, the Wizard himself appeared to straighten it out. I went looking for the question a couple of weeks ago but I guess your archives don't go that far back.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
August 16th, 2017 at 6:55:16 PM
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Quote: billryanI wrote to the old WOO site around 1999 with a question on sic bo and after several posters gave me wrong information, the Wizard himself appeared to straighten it out. I went looking for the question a couple of weeks ago but I guess your archives don't go that far back.
That makes you one of my longest-running fans! Thank you for the support. Sic Bo has been going the way of the dodo bird since 99. I predict it won't be long before it has no placements in Vegas or the U.S.. It is still alive and well in Macau.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
August 16th, 2017 at 7:02:15 PM
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Quote: WizardThat makes you one of my longest-running fans! Thank you for the support. Sic Bo has been going the way of the dodo bird since 99. I predict it won't be long before it has no placements in Vegas or the U.S.. It is still alive and well in Macau.
The funny thing was I had played a few times and won. Thought I had an edge and wrote in, explaining how I played and if I did have an edge.
Several people agreed that I had a nice edge, and you showed up and completely debunked my system. It never worked after.that.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
August 16th, 2017 at 7:05:09 PM
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Duplicate post.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
August 16th, 2017 at 7:48:06 PM
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Quote: billryan...Thought I had an edge...
Stanford Wong published a tip to his subscribers regarding sic bo in one casino. The information gave players an edge on two bets--4 and 17 at that one casino. (Google it.)
Edit: removed the word "system"
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August 16th, 2017 at 7:56:48 PM
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I've only seen a regular table in Windsor in the late 90's. I don't count the Pai Gow/Sic Bo table Bellagio has/had as a regular table.
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August 16th, 2017 at 8:01:08 PM
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That wasn't a system, that was casino management making a stupid error.
My system sounded so good.
Take any number,1-6 and Martindale it.
3 dice, so you have 3 one out of six chances of landing any one number
If two die land on the same number, you get paid double. The rare triple pays just that. I thought the occasional double and triple wins would put me in the plus.
I'd play #4. Bet spread1-1-2-4-8-16-32. For three sessions, I never got past
$16 and hit a couple of doubles at $8 and $16. Three long sessions and I was sure it was going to work. Was all set to raise my starting bet to $5 when Mike burst my bubble.
Math is hard.
My system sounded so good.
Take any number,1-6 and Martindale it.
3 dice, so you have 3 one out of six chances of landing any one number
If two die land on the same number, you get paid double. The rare triple pays just that. I thought the occasional double and triple wins would put me in the plus.
I'd play #4. Bet spread1-1-2-4-8-16-32. For three sessions, I never got past
$16 and hit a couple of doubles at $8 and $16. Three long sessions and I was sure it was going to work. Was all set to raise my starting bet to $5 when Mike burst my bubble.
Math is hard.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
August 16th, 2017 at 8:06:42 PM
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Read the article. Don't know if it was exaggerated, but it is very hard to imagine that in 1994 casino would still mess up the math on the odds of 4 and 17.
And even if they really did mess it up, how could they not smell it when the whole table is just betting on 2 numbers, for the WHOLE DAY.
And even if they really did mess it up, how could they not smell it when the whole table is just betting on 2 numbers, for the WHOLE DAY.
August 16th, 2017 at 8:10:20 PM
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I remember it. They misprinted the pay tables. Every other casino had one pay out printout, the one casino had one table that paid off wrong. No mystery or secret sauce.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
August 16th, 2017 at 8:21:31 PM
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Quote: ChesterDogStanford Wong published a winning system for sic bo. The system gave a player an edge on two bets--4 and 17, but only at one casino. (Google it.)
Please don't call that a "system." Charlatans selling real systems always say that some "systems" win as evidenced by card counting being a system and proven to beat casinos. That is more of a strategy than a system.
To save others the trouble of looking it up, some casino in Mississippi had a misprinting on the layout and offered 80 to 1 on the 4 and 17 bets, instead of the usual 60. That resulted in a 12.5% player advantage. The story of what happened next is indeed interesting.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
August 16th, 2017 at 8:33:03 PM
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Quote: WizardThe story of what happened next is indeed interesting.
Dare I ask you to continue the story.....
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August 16th, 2017 at 8:35:19 PM
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Quote: mrsuit31Dare I ask you to continue the story.....
Just put Sanford Wong, Sic Bo into any search engine.
I played once with a guy who bet on 14 and 15. He was shut out for an incredibly long time until the relief dealer showed up. She started rolling so many of them that just about the whole table started betting them. We had two suits watching the table by the time the regular dealer returned.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
August 16th, 2017 at 9:02:44 PM
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We get very good action at our place and it holds 43%
get second you pig
October 7th, 2017 at 5:31:11 PM
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Quote: mrsuit31Dare I ask you to continue the story.....
Some casino in Biloxi, I forget which one, put out a sic bo table where the 3 and 17 paid 80 to 1. On most tables, they pay 60 to 1.
The probability of rolling either the 3 or 17 is 3/216.
So, the expected return was (3/216)*80 + (213/216)*-1 = 0.125. In other words, a 12.5% player advantage.
He posted the play on his "black chip" page and advantage players immediately flew in from around the country. I don't think it lasted another day after that.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
October 7th, 2017 at 5:37:30 PM
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Quote: billryanI wrote to the old WOO site around 1999 with a question on sic bo and after several posters gave me wrong information, the Wizard himself appeared to straighten it out. I went looking for the question a couple of weeks ago but I guess your archives don't go that far back.
I believe that is when the website was "thewizardofodds.com"
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
