Wizard
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August 6th, 2018 at 9:00:28 AM permalink
Quote: FinsRule

I was banking, so I decided to use the tiles setting of “one man, two women.” I won the hand, but the women weren’t that impressed with the game.

Hey! That is my favorite pick-up line at the pai gow table. To be honest with you, it never worked for me either.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
Wizard
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August 9th, 2018 at 4:01:40 PM permalink
I just did my first live stream with Heather of Vegas Aces. The topic was pai gow (tiles), but, of course, with me, I easily and quickly got off topic. This was fun and I'm thinking of doing whatever I have to do to do it from my place. If you want to see me take questions about pai gow from Heather and her audience, please click the live stream link.

Let me know if you think this is a good idea for a regular thing.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
TigerWu
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Thanks for this post from:
August 11th, 2018 at 10:58:39 AM permalink
So, here's the absolute beginner's strategy for Pai Gow that most of us started with (and the strategy that Harrah's will give you at the table):

1) Play any pairs.

2) Play 2 or 12 with 7, 8, or 9, in that order.

3) Play any two tiles adding up to 9.

4) Play biggest tile with smallest tile.

I've been trying to come up with a few additional rules to make kind of an "advanced" beginner's strategy. I feel like there's no in-between with Tiles; it's either this beginner strategy, and then BOOM there's all the various house ways and advanced strategies with dozens of rules and exceptions that can get really complicated.

This is not supposed to be mathematically perfect, but rather just a few more rules to start building on the basic strategy that could feasibly be explained to an average gambler right on the casino floor without having to memorize specific tiles and exceptions. This is what I've got so far:

5) Split pairs to make 8/9 or higher.

6) Balance tiles to make 5/9 or higher, making low hand a priority if you can't get at least a 5 AND a 9 (e.g., play 5/9 rather than 6/8, but 5/8 rather than 4/9).

7) If best low hand is 3 or lower, sacrifice it to play a high hand of 7 or better.

I don't know if that makes any mathematical difference with the original beginner strategy. I've heard the beginner strategy works 80% of the time, so maybe with these new rules we can get to 85% or so? I don't know. I'm also not sure if rule 7) should just read, "if best low hand is 3 or lower, throw everything at the high hand." Again, this is supposed to be a really dumbed down strategy to help out beginners without their having to think too much.
smoothgrh
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August 11th, 2018 at 10:48:42 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I just did my first live stream with Heather of Vegas Aces. The topic was pai gow (tiles), but, of course, with me, I easily and quickly got off topic. This was fun and I'm thinking of doing whatever I have to do to do it from my place. If you want to see me take questions about pai gow from Heather and her audience, please click the live stream link.

Let me know if you think this is a good idea for a regular thing.

I enjoyed the recording of the live stream! It's nice to hear two knowledgeable people talking about a subject they're passionate about.

My only criticism is that a recorded podcast/livestream starts to go off the rails when you start speculating on topics that are beyond your ken. Oh, and unless it's an emergency, take the call later!

But as far as pai gow tiles, nice chat! I enjoyed hearing your thinking process aloud, and felt better that it does take a little bit of reasoning to pick the hand that has the best EV. And that even you aren't 100% certain at times. I made the mistake of choosing 9-1 over 5-5 in my last tiles game, and I lost that hand!

And thanks to Heather for the tile flip trick! I'll have to practice that!
AlexR
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August 23rd, 2018 at 4:20:45 PM permalink
I bought a pai gow set from Wish.com a couple weeks ago and it just arrived. I'm pretty happy with it for the price, though I think it's somewhat smaller and lighter than the ones they use in casinos.

beachbumbabs
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August 23rd, 2018 at 5:04:26 PM permalink
Quote: AlexR

I bought a pai gow set from Wish.com a couple weeks ago and it just arrived. I'm pretty happy with it for the price, though I think it's somewhat smaller and lighter than the ones they use in casinos.

Looks OK to me, but if you want inexpensive casino-grade in their case with dice, spinettis is a great resource for things like that. Edit: store link below, but it's not letting me link the Mandalay Bay set I bought from them.

https://www.m.ebay.com/seller?sid=spinettis&_trksid=p2349526.m4383.c10
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
AlexR
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August 23rd, 2018 at 5:44:52 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Looks OK to me, but if you want inexpensive casino-grade in their case with dice, spinettis is a great resource for things like that. Edit: store link below, but it's not letting me link the Mandalay Bay set I bought from them.

I found the one you're referring to and the postage to Canada alone is more than I paid for these, including shipping from China.
beachbumbabs
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August 23rd, 2018 at 8:24:29 PM permalink
Quote: AlexR

I found the one you're referring to and the postage to Canada alone is more than I paid for these, including shipping from China.

Ah. Sorry bout that. Didn't realize you were in Canada.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
TigerWu
Joined: May 23, 2016
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February 2nd, 2019 at 3:03:25 PM permalink
Anybody played Tiles recently? How was the action? Where did you play?

I might be in Vegas in a few months, and I'm always worried this game is going to disappear at any minute...
FCBLComish
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