Ibeatyouraces
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June 23rd, 2016 at 11:20:06 PM permalink
Quote: Deucekies

Cue the dealer and the other players with "OHHHHHH YOU SHOULD HAVE PLAYED THE TRIPS! SEEEEEEE? SEEEEEE?"

Trips, pair plus, high tie, perfect pairs, progressives, etc....
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offTopic
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June 28th, 2016 at 8:12:34 PM permalink
Quote: CharmedQuark

I don’t think players realize how bad the ‘TRIPS’ bet really is from a mathematical prospective. I opined on another thread that the player should factor out the returns for the RF, ST and Quads and consider them a ‘push’ when looking at the house edge. I base this on the miniscule probability of getting one of these hands. Even a pay table with the .9 % HE balloons to an astronomical 7.22% HE and the 1.9% pay table inflates to 8.22% HE when considering the rare likelihood of catching one of those hands. I think most slots return better than this.

I’ve been playing UTH for almost three years, about 3 times a week and getting in 2-3 hours of play. I’m still waiting for my first Quads, SF or RF. I have never seen a RF dealt when I have played and very few SF and Quads.

The stars have to be aligned to catch one of these hands. Right time - lined up with the right casino - lined up with the right table - lined up with the right seat - lined up with the right shuffle. Or maybe it’s all about ‘luck’ which has nothing to do with mathematics.

Play the ‘trips’ for fun and excitement but keep your expectations low and watch your bankroll. You may notice there is a slow constant drain when playing UTH and betting the ‘Trips’.

Not making quads in such an interval seems really, really unlucky. I've never hit a royal, but don't play nearly as much as you, but have gotten several quads and at least three SFs.

The funny part, as I've mentioned at least once, is that I play a decent amount of cardroom hold'em (on average, probably 8 hours a week) and since I started playing UTH, I've gotten 4 royals in various cardrooms under far more difficult circumstances (each one used both cards, and if there is one or more raises in front, I'm folding stuff like JTs/QTs/etc)

As was mentioned upthread, for at least half of the players I've seen, if not more, the Trips bet is the better bet based on how they play. Checking stuff like AK all the way to the end when you finally hit your A or K has to be a massive disaster.
Romes
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June 29th, 2016 at 7:57:36 AM permalink
Quote: Deucekies

Cue the dealer and the other players with "OHHHHHH YOU SHOULD HAVE PLAYED THE TRIPS! SEEEEEEE? SEEEEEE?"

I hit a straight flush this past weekend and the first thing the dealer said was "Oh no! You didn't play the trips!"... I literally looked at her and said "Who cares that's \$200 for my \$5... THIS is \$4k for my bet! Screw the trips!" I just don't think they get how the payouts work lol.
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June 29th, 2016 at 1:53:30 PM permalink
So I know you are a big UTH player and figured I would ask a semi related question. Assuming that you follow the Wizard's UTH basic strategy and bet 10, 15, and 25 dollars on the ante bet; how much action from other players on your trips bet would you have to book for your expected EV per hour to be breakeven.

Based on my, admittedly half assed, calcs and assuming 30 hands per hour at a 15 dollar ante bet you should expect to be loosing 10 dollars per hour on the base game and with the trips pay table used at my local casino (1.9% house edge) you would need 510 dollars worth of action for break even. Or roughly 17 dollars per hand on average.

Huh, I wonder if that could be made a profitable killing time play when you factor in comps and the fairly regular money you could get put up on other peoples 4x hands that they don't fully bet/want to bet at 4x.

Variance would probably be killer though without a phenomenal bankroll.
teddys
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June 29th, 2016 at 8:51:36 PM permalink
The casino near me no longer allows betting on another person's spot. Too bad. That was the best thing ever with certain players.
"Dice, verily, are armed with goads and driving-hooks, deceiving and tormenting, causing grievous woe." -Rig Veda 10.34.4
odiousgambit
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June 30th, 2016 at 4:27:53 AM permalink
Quote: teddys

The casino near me no longer allows betting on another person's spot. Too bad. That was the best thing ever with certain players.

I get this, so many players won't bet 4x etc when they should

how much action from other players on your trips bet would you have to book for your expected EV per hour to be breakeven.

This I don't get.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
Romes
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June 30th, 2016 at 7:39:10 AM permalink
So I assume you're assuming a % cut from their trips bet on your hand? This would be something that would be hard to calculate. Are they splitting it with you? Tossing you \$5? Giving you 10%? Way too variable to calculate IMO.

I've found a lot of people that don't want to 4x and they let me bet the 4th. Some places don't let you do it, but I've found several that don't care.

Between miss-pays, playing other people's 4x, and letting people bet your trips, I wouldn't be surprised at all if you found yourself in a decent little advantageous situation just playing basic.
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Ibeatyouraces
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June 30th, 2016 at 8:34:02 AM permalink
I have a few regulars that I just back bet and cover they're 4x bets. No need to even be playing your own hand. Just stand with them.
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odiousgambit
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June 30th, 2016 at 10:11:58 AM permalink
Quote: Romes

what, the max bet limit is too low for some people?
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
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June 30th, 2016 at 11:42:41 AM permalink
Quote: odiousgambitThis I don't get.[/q

Someone wants to put, say \$10, up on your trips so you say ok and hold their ten dollars off to the side. If the bet would win then you pay them yourself (i.e. give them their 10 back plus 30 from your stack if your hand gets Three of a Kind (pays 3:1 on trips)) and if it would loose then you pocket their money.

Basically you player bank their action as opposed to the House banking their action for that specific bet.

If the amount of action that they want to place exceeds your bankroll levels then you just put up what you don't feel comfortable banking on the Trips for the house to bank and handle the remained yourself (say someone wants to put 100 on your Trips but your bankroll can only support 50 in action so you put 50 up on the bet and bank the other 50 yourself).