Hunterhill
Hunterhill
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April 25th, 2016 at 11:23:28 AM permalink
Quote: MrGoldenSun

Yes, there are hands where making the 4x raise is a play with positive expectation, but not the best play.

Let's say you have a hand which is 51% to win preflop, but somehow you'll be either 100% or 0% after the flop, and you'll know which is the case. Then if you wait for the flop, you are trading a small edge at 4x for a MASSIVE edge at 2x.

Obviously you can't know this for sure at UTH, but the point is that if you have more information, you can make a decision for 2x which is enough better than the 4x decision that it's worth waiting.

This concept comes up in live holdem sometimes,
where you have a hand that is likely best, but the turn
card will greatly impact your equity. In those cases, it's
often better to forgo raising your small flop edge in
order to see the turn.


I think you misunderstood what I said. We are saying the same thing.
The mountain is tall but grass grows on top of the mountain.
MrGoldenSun
MrGoldenSun
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April 25th, 2016 at 11:54:03 AM permalink
Quote: Hunterhill

I think you misunderstood what I said. We are saying the same thing.



I know, I was just trying to add to your posts with some details and a contrived example in case someone didn't understand yours. I think it's a somewhat tricky concept.
TwoFeathersATL
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April 25th, 2016 at 12:10:27 PM permalink
MrGolden,
Is your April 1st start date a pure coincidence?
You keep posting, I'll keep reading. 2F
Youuuuuu MIGHT be a 'rascal' if.......(nevermind ;-)...2F
MrGoldenSun
MrGoldenSun
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April 25th, 2016 at 12:36:24 PM permalink
Quote: TwoFeathersATL

MrGolden,
Is your April 1st start date a pure coincidence?
You keep posting, I'll keep reading. 2F



Heh, not sure exactly how to take this comment! :) But yeah, I noticed that too. Ah well. Is April Fools Day a holiday outside the US? Maybe the non-Americans on the board will take me seriously. :)

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