UTH - Math question

Hello. I'm new to this site and can see the wealth of information on gaming. I was asked this question by a friend and can't seem to find any definitive answer (and I can't stand that !). In UTH you can raise 3 or 4 times your bet when you see your first two cards. All the information I found says that you should always bet 4 times if you have the correct hand according to the basic strategy for this game.

The question I got was the following; if I'm standing behind a player that raised 3 times on his first 2 cards and I can see that the decision to raise is a good one, should I add the rest of the amount to make it 4 times (considering the sitting player and the casino is ok with this) ? What would be the ev on this play ? Or what's the impact on the house edge for the casino ?

Thanks.

Quote: JustCurious

Hello. I'm new to this site and can see the wealth of information on gaming. I was asked this question by a friend and can't seem to find any definitive answer (and I can't stand that !). In UTH you can raise 3 or 4 times your bet when you see your first two cards. All the information I found says that you should always bet 4 times if you have the correct hand according to the basic strategy for this game.

The question I got was the following; if I'm standing behind a player that raised 3 times on his first 2 cards and I can see that the decision to raise is a good one, should I add the rest of the amount to make it 4 times (considering the sitting player and the casino is ok with this) ? What would be the ev on this play ? Or what's the impact on the house edge for the casino ?

Thanks.

Yes you should and it's is always an advantage on your part. I have a few players that allow me to piggy back their play bet when they decide to check/bet 3x pre flop.

Thanks Ibeatyouraces. I thought so too. I'm just still wondering about the math side, I'd like to put a number on it.

Quote: JustCurious

Thanks Ibeatyouraces. I thought so too. I'm just still wondering about the math side, I'd like to put a number on it.

That's going to be difficult because you'll have different amounts on various different hands.

The entire 4X range of hands vs. dealers random hand is 60% vs. 40%. So the entire range is 20% edge.

Of course if the person doesn't let you in on AA,KK,QQ,JJ,etc. then the edge gets smaller and smaller.

Would you believe I had a player who let me in on 10-9u? Yes, I convinced him or her to let me take 75% of the action on that one...

The problem with this is when is it going to be determined when they would have bet and pay you accordingly. If they were going to bet 3x and you add the fourth, that's easy to determine. If they were going to check and you bet the whole amount, at what point would they be participating in the bet? I think it will lead to too much confusion. I let people bet my trips sometimes but that's easy. They'll just give me $25 or whatever and I keep it in a separate stack. I usually only do this with somebody I've seen before because they might help me out sometimes getting a seat or something like that.

Never been any confusion got me. It's pretty obvious when they'd bet after the flop and if not just say, "would you bet now?" If yes, you get half the 4x. If no, repeat after turn/river card. It's best to play this way with people you know.

Thank goodness this is illegal in WA. I can just see the fistfights that could break out over this, especially after a few drinks have entered the equation.

Quote: Deucekies

Thank goodness this is illegal in WA. I can just see the fistfights that could break out over this, especially after a few drinks have entered the equation.

Agreed. I wouldn't do this with a stranger. Only someone that knows me and vice versa well enough.

Thanks guys. I'll take advantage when I can.