Can Roulette Be Beaten?
Quote: OnceDearQuote: EvenBobHere's what I'm going to prove, that I when I play roulette I win more often than I lose and always come out ahead.
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Cue EvenBob demonstrating a progressive system starting with a modest or unlimited bankroll and a 10c online wager. He'll proceed to win maybe 31 sessions out of 31, each time profiting by at least 10c. Winning every session. Then he'll proclaim "There. I just won 31 sessions out of 31. You saw me beat roulette. You said I couldn't do it. There's your proof that I win more often that I lose and I always come out ahead".
Which is like hopping once on one leg and saying "There, I just proved to you that can I can fly."
Any idiot could demonstrate that. One might dress it up a bit by using any sort of progression on any selection of wagers. E.g. simultaneous wager on Odd and Black, or mingling it in with a few no-bets.
Anyway. Whatever. Prove what the heck you want to prove, EvenBob. I could do with a laugh.
Incidentally,
With absolutely simplest Martingale, starting at 10c, and a $100 bankroll, playing single zero roulette, to go bust, one would need to lose ten consecutive wagers. Probability of going bust on any day = (19/37)^10 =0.001275.
So. The probability of NOT going bust on day one is 1-0.001275=0.998725
So, The probability of winning at least 10c every single day of a 31 day month is 0.998725^31 = 96.12%
So. If EvenBob demonstrated winning every day of 31 consecutive days, would we be impressed?
And if anyone claimed that to be a demonstration of beating roulette, would we all laugh heartilly.
But go on EvenBob. Knock yourself out. Use whatever proof you want.
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So oncedear proclaims everything I'm going to do null and void before I even do it because he can't have it his way. I'm unwilling to go by his rules and regulations so he's proclaiming for all to see that anything else I might do is invalid. My question is who died and made him roulette God? LOL he thinks this is all about him and none of this is about him. Not even a tiniest part of this is about him and he just can't stand it.
The facts in summary.
1. EB does not pay his bills with roulette winnings.
2. EB is not even ahead lifetime at roulette.
3. EB will continue with a virtually infinite stream of nonsensical posts never really answering with a real answer to any question posed to him.
4. EB’s next ‘even chance bet’ will likely lose as all of his ‘even chance bets’ are slight underdogs due to the green zeroes.
5. EB will respond to my post with some blather about how I think I’m the smartest guy in the room. I am not. But I’m smart enough to know 1-4 are facts, beyond ANY doubt.
I am frankly surprised that Axel is involved n this back and forth! Slow days a the AP bar?
No rules. I'm not laying down rules. I said prove whatever you want in any way that that you want.Quote: EvenBobQuote: OnceDearQuote: EvenBobHere's what I'm going to prove, that I when I play roulette I win more often than I lose and always come out ahead.
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Cue EvenBob demonstrating a progressive system starting with a modest or unlimited bankroll and a 10c online wager....
But go on EvenBob. Knock yourself out. Use whatever proof you want.
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So oncedear proclaims everything I'm going to do null and void before I even do it because he can't have it his way. I'm unwilling to go by his rules and regulations so he's proclaiming for all to see that anything else I might do is invalid.
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As a bonus, I demonstrated a mathematically sound way that one might demonstrate a multitude of successive winning sessions. I'm god of nothing, but I'm just showing how a person could demonstrate X while claiming Y.
Maybe EveBob is p155ed at me stealing his thunder, heckling his pitch.
Go for it EvenBob. The stage is all yours. No more heckling from me from the moment you start your demonstration, till the moment you proclaim demonstration complete.
Or are you going to take my posts as an excuse to not proceed with even the proof that you offered.
Go for it EvenBob. Unequivocally, I'm dead keen to see your proof.
Quote: SOOPOOHundreds of posts since my last post on this topic.
The facts in summary.
I am frankly surprised that Axel is involved n this back and forth! Slow days a the AP bar?
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Bah! Now you've done it. Just as EvenBob was considering saying that after OnceDear's rude post, he's no longer inclined to demonstrate anything, now SooPoo has failed to give the glowing endorsement of "Go For It EvenBob"
I predict, with 80% probability that EvenBob will not be demonstrating anything, any time soon. He may explain why. He may not. Don't ask me how I come to this conclusion. It's a secret. Let's see if I'm right or wrong.
As there is Zero downside to EB telling us how he recognizes patterns in online roulette games, he should tell us the specifics of his system, otherwise "Who cares, really?"
Yes,"any idiot could demonstrate that" he won 31 sessions in a row via playing a progressive, but EB is not just "any" idiot.
Quote: MrVOD, you've correctly analyzed the Martingale aspects of his "system" but due to lack of specifics from EB you and all of us are in the dark as to what triggers his betting, i.e. pattern recognition.
As there is Zero downside to EB telling us how he recognizes patterns in online roulette games, he should tell us the specifics of his system, otherwise "Who cares, really?"
Yes,"any idiot could demonstrate that" he won 31 sessions in a row via playing a progressive, but EB is not just "any" idiot.
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Maybe I should have said
EvenBob is no sort of idiot. He's something else altogether.
The Idiots are in the audience. It's a bit like Penn & Teller, 'Fool Us'. Where EvenBob proposes to 'impress' an audience that is too cynical to believe in true magic.
Have some eye candy:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=73&v=0iVWOyfg6p8
Dude, have you seen the temperature outside in LV? I absolutely hate the heat. My wife is the biggest C word in the heat. My best bet is to do a little as possible. I only go outside my house when absolutely necessary in this heat. Im getting out of town soon. I'm actually out and about now now playing, I'm waiting on a $1400 handpay. It's taking a while(I get a bit nervous when that happens). I will send you a picture and you can verify I’m not making up stuff.Quote: SOOPOOHundreds of posts since my last post on this topic.
The facts in summary.
1. EB does not pay his bills with roulette winnings.
2. EB is not even ahead lifetime at roulette.
3. EB will continue with a virtually infinite stream of nonsensical posts never really answering with a real answer to any question posed to him.
4. EB’s next ‘even chance bet’ will likely lose as all of his ‘even chance bets’ are slight underdogs due to the green zeroes.
5. EB will respond to my post with some blather about how I think I’m the smartest guy in the room. I am not. But I’m smart enough to know 1-4 are facts, beyond ANY doubt.
I am frankly surprised that Axel is involved n this back and forth! Slow days a the AP bar?
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If you actually have a proven method without all the BS you can actually make money while sitting at home arguing with EvenBob. It's entertaining for me to watch him squirm and make up what most everyone believes is total BS. It's fun to watch his complete inability to understand important gambling math concepts.
Quote: OnceDearEvenBob is no sort of idiot. He's something else altogether.
Yes indeed, he's a rebel without a clue, but by thunder he thinks he's got one up on we mere mortals.
Quote: AxelWolfDude, have you seen the temperature outside in LV? I absolutely hate the heat. My wife is the biggest C word in the heat. My best bet is to do a little as possible. I only go outside my house when absolutely necessary in this heat. Im getting out of town soon. I'm actually out and about now now playing, I'm waiting on a $1400 handpay. It's taking a while(I get a bit nervous when that happens). I will send you a picture and you can verify I’m not making up stuff.Quote: SOOPOOHundreds of posts since my last post on this topic.
The facts in summary.
1. EB does not pay his bills with roulette winnings.
2. EB is not even ahead lifetime at roulette.
3. EB will continue with a virtually infinite stream of nonsensical posts never really answering with a real answer to any question posed to him.
4. EB’s next ‘even chance bet’ will likely lose as all of his ‘even chance bets’ are slight underdogs due to the green zeroes.
5. EB will respond to my post with some blather about how I think I’m the smartest guy in the room. I am not. But I’m smart enough to know 1-4 are facts, beyond ANY doubt.
I am frankly surprised that Axel is involved n this back and forth! Slow days a the AP bar?
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If you actually have a proven method without all the BS you can actually make money while sitting at home arguing with EvenBob. It's entertaining for me to watch him squirm and make up what most everyone believes is total BS. It's fun to watch his complete inability to understand important gambling math concepts.
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Axel just sent me a picture with time stamp of his $1400+ slot hit. I’m not sure why he wants me to inform the forum. His claims are all reasonable.
That was quick and easy. He didn't reveal his method. He didn't need remote monitoring over the course of several weeks. He didn't have to install any software. He just took a photo and we believe him. Why can't other folks be so straightforward?Quote: SOOPOO
Axel just sent me a picture with time stamp of his $1400+ slot hit. I’m not sure why he wants me to inform the forum. His claims are all reasonable.
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Quote: SOOPOOHundreds of posts since my last post on this topic.
The facts in summary.
1. EB does not pay his bills with roulette winnings.
2. EB is not even ahead lifetime at roulette.
3. EB will continue with a virtually infinite stream of nonsensical posts never really answering with a real answer to any question posed to him.
4. EB’s next ‘even chance bet’ will likely lose as all of his ‘even chance bets’ are slight underdogs due to the green zeroes.
5. EB will respond to my post with some blather about how I think I’m the smartest guy in the room. I am not. But I’m smart enough to know 1-4 are facts, beyond ANY doubt.
I am frankly surprised that Axel is involved n this back and forth! Slow days a the AP bar?
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Soopoo the Magnificent, master of tarot cards and the Ouija board. Because that's the only place he could be getting these so-called facts about what I do. Because he has absolutely no idea what I'm doing he's just guessing, he's just throwing crap out there to see if it sticks to the wall because I guess it makes him feel good. Or maybe he's clairvoyant, that's the ticket, he throws chicken bones on the ground and reads them. Because he's sure not getting any of this from reality because everything he says about me is 100% wrong. Wishful thinking presented as reality just makes the presenter look, well, not very credible..
Christopher Mitchell constantly demonstrates he beats roulette. Christopher Mitchell is a charlatan.Quote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolfGiven what you have said so far, that wouldn't prove jack splat.Quote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolf
I must have missed where you offered a way to show proof.
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Not surprising, by what you're posting you missed everything and guessed wrongly about everything else.
You keep saying to post my online playing records so I'm going to make bets for minimum amounts
showing that I win more often than I lose and I'm going to post those records. From them you will learn
that I have beaten roulette but that's all you'll learn which I'm sure will not be acceptable to you.
You want to keep wriggling and squirming until you find a way to figure out exactly what I'm doing.
And it's not just you, I want the consensus of a bunch of people here that that will be good enough or
I will withdraw the offer. I'm not wasting my time only to be told it's not enough in the end.
As far as progressions go if you think you have a method that wins go for it and then show Mike that he's wrong.
I'm not holding my breath. A progression is just an extension of whatever play you're doing. If it's a bad play it's
going to magnify it. But if it's a good play, if it's a winning method as mine is, the progression will just magnify it
for the positive. If it's a bad play all a progression does is prolongs the inevitable loss. If you have a good play what
a progression does is it magnifies the win and shortens the time it takes to reach your goal. But there is risk involved
if you're playing for real money, there's always risk. But if you're playing for minimal amounts the risk is very minimal.
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There has to be a predetermined set of protocols.
Location, what online casinos(to make sure there's no cherry-picking), start date(to make sure there's no cherry-picking), number of trials(to make sure there's no cherry-picking, suddenly stopping because you are up and continuing of you are down). You must tell us if you plan on flat betting or if you are using progression betting (for obvious reasons you don't seem to understand).
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Nope, I don't have to do any of that. I will post my outcomes which are obviously dated and that's it. They will be all strung together with no possibility of being edited. Of course I'll cherry pick, what do you think I do just sit down and bet everything I see? Of course if I'm ahead I'm going to stop, do you think I just keep playing till I lose? You have no idea what you're talking about or how this works. I'm there to make a profit, to make units, that's all that counts, it's called beating the game. Duh..
You go ahead and try it and see if you come out ahead, I dare you.
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Didn't you say somewhere that you ignored green? Guess who also ignores green?
For those who don't know who Christopher Mitchell is
I didn't provide a picture and w2g timestamp to prove I'm winning, because that's absolutely not proof. That jackpot was meaningless considering the bet level and length of time I was playing.Quote: OnceDearThat was quick and easy. He didn't reveal his method. He didn't need remote monitoring over the course of several weeks. He didn't have to install any software. He just took a photo and we believe him. Why can't other folks be so straightforward?Quote: SOOPOO
Axel just sent me a picture with time stamp of his $1400+ slot hit. I’m not sure why he wants me to inform the forum. His claims are all reasonable.
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I said I was actually in a casino Advantage Playing and posting, of course, I could have just been just flapping my gums. I took the opportunity to offer up some proof that I wasn't just flapping my gums.
Quote: AxelWolfI didn't provide a picture and w2g timestamp to prove I'm winning, because that's absolutely not proof. That jackpot was meaningless considering the bet level and length of time I was playing.Quote: OnceDearThat was quick and easy.
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I said I was actually in a casino Advantage Playing and posting, of course, I could have just been just flapping my gums. I took the opportunity to offer up some proof that I wasn't just flapping my gums.
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The point is, Axelwolf's reputation as a straight dealing real advantage player coupled with the absolute plausibility of his claim meant his photo constituted 'proof'
Compare and contrast.
Agree 100%.Quote: EvenBobWishful thinking presented as reality just makes the presenter look, well, not very credible.
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Sounds like you are describing your roulette system.Quote: EvenBobQuote: SOOPOOHundreds of posts since my last post on this topic.
The facts in summary.
1. EB does not pay his bills with roulette winnings.
2. EB is not even ahead lifetime at roulette.
3. EB will continue with a virtually infinite stream of nonsensical posts never really answering with a real answer to any question posed to him.
4. EB’s next ‘even chance bet’ will likely lose as all of his ‘even chance bets’ are slight underdogs due to the green zeroes.
5. EB will respond to my post with some blather about how I think I’m the smartest guy in the room. I am not. But I’m smart enough to know 1-4 are facts, beyond ANY doubt.
I am frankly surprised that Axel is involved n this back and forth! Slow days a the AP bar?
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Soopoo the Magnificent, master of tarot cards and the Ouija board. Because that's the only place he could be getting these so-called facts about what I do. Because he has absolutely no idea what I'm doing he's just guessing, he's just throwing crap out there to see if it sticks to the wall because I guess it makes him feel good. Or maybe he's clairvoyant, that's the ticket, he throws chicken bones on the ground and reads them.
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Quote: AxelWolfSounds like you are describing your roulette system.Quote: EvenBobQuote: SOOPOOHundreds of posts since my last post on this topic.
The facts in summary.
1. EB does not pay his bills with roulette winnings.
2. EB is not even ahead lifetime at roulette.
3. EB will continue with a virtually infinite stream of nonsensical posts never really answering with a real answer to any question posed to him.
4. EB’s next ‘even chance bet’ will likely lose as all of his ‘even chance bets’ are slight underdogs due to the green zeroes.
5. EB will respond to my post with some blather about how I think I’m the smartest guy in the room. I am not. But I’m smart enough to know 1-4 are facts, beyond ANY doubt.
I am frankly surprised that Axel is involved n this back and forth! Slow days a the AP bar?
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Soopoo the Magnificent, master of tarot cards and the Ouija board. Because that's the only place he could be getting these so-called facts about what I do. Because he has absolutely no idea what I'm doing he's just guessing, he's just throwing crap out there to see if it sticks to the wall because I guess it makes him feel good. Or maybe he's clairvoyant, that's the ticket, he throws chicken bones on the ground and reads them.
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That's my alternate system.
I've decided to wait till Mike gets back see if he says me posting 6 weeks worth of online Casino results has any meaning. I'll never arrive at a consensus with you people because you all have obvious agendas. Mike is the only fair one here.
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I've decided to wait till Mike gets back see if he says me posting 6 weeks worth of online Casino results has any meaning. I'll never arrive at a consensus with you people because you all have obvious agendas. Mike is the only fair one here.
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Stop stalling.
Quote:Here's what I'm going to prove, that I when I play roulette I win more often than I lose and always come out ahead.
Do it. It's either proof or it isn't. Proof doesn't rely on the consensus of a handful of people on an internet forum to be true or not.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolfSounds like you are describing your roulette system.Quote: EvenBobQuote: SOOPOOHundreds of posts since my last post on this topic.
The facts in summary.
1. EB does not pay his bills with roulette winnings.
2. EB is not even ahead lifetime at roulette.
3. EB will continue with a virtually infinite stream of nonsensical posts never really answering with a real answer to any question posed to him.
4. EB’s next ‘even chance bet’ will likely lose as all of his ‘even chance bets’ are slight underdogs due to the green zeroes.
5. EB will respond to my post with some blather about how I think I’m the smartest guy in the room. I am not. But I’m smart enough to know 1-4 are facts, beyond ANY doubt.
I am frankly surprised that Axel is involved n this back and forth! Slow days a the AP bar?
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Soopoo the Magnificent, master of tarot cards and the Ouija board. Because that's the only place he could be getting these so-called facts about what I do. Because he has absolutely no idea what I'm doing he's just guessing, he's just throwing crap out there to see if it sticks to the wall because I guess it makes him feel good. Or maybe he's clairvoyant, that's the ticket, he throws chicken bones on the ground and reads them.
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That's my alternate system.
I've decided to wait till Mike gets back see if he says me posting 6 weeks worth of online Casino results has any meaning. I'll never arrive at a consensus with you people because you all have obvious agendas. Mike is the only fair one here.
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Six weeks of wagering one spin per day? And with some days skipped because it wasn't the right day?
So approximately 40 spins total?
I think that's a great Idea. I already said to let him decide what constitutes proof.Quote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolfSounds like you are describing your roulette system.Quote: EvenBobQuote: SOOPOOHundreds of posts since my last post on this topic.
The facts in summary.
1. EB does not pay his bills with roulette winnings.
2. EB is not even ahead lifetime at roulette.
3. EB will continue with a virtually infinite stream of nonsensical posts never really answering with a real answer to any question posed to him.
4. EB’s next ‘even chance bet’ will likely lose as all of his ‘even chance bets’ are slight underdogs due to the green zeroes.
5. EB will respond to my post with some blather about how I think I’m the smartest guy in the room. I am not. But I’m smart enough to know 1-4 are facts, beyond ANY doubt.
I am frankly surprised that Axel is involved n this back and forth! Slow days a the AP bar?
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Soopoo the Magnificent, master of tarot cards and the Ouija board. Because that's the only place he could be getting these so-called facts about what I do. Because he has absolutely no idea what I'm doing he's just guessing, he's just throwing crap out there to see if it sticks to the wall because I guess it makes him feel good. Or maybe he's clairvoyant, that's the ticket, he throws chicken bones on the ground and reads them.
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That's my alternate system.
I've decided to wait till Mike gets back see if he says me posting 6 weeks worth of online Casino results has any meaning..
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Perhaps he can even explain to you why some progression systems win more often than they lose.
Quote: darkoz
Six weeks of wagering one spin per day? And with some days skipped because it wasn't the right day?
So approximately 40 spins total?
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He said he plays online so he can watch multiple tables at once. So, it could potentially be hundreds of spins in that time period, depending on how many tables he's watching.
You beat me to it LOL.Quote: darkozQuote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolfSounds like you are describing your roulette system.Quote: EvenBobQuote: SOOPOOHundreds of posts since my last post on this topic.
The facts in summary.
1. EB does not pay his bills with roulette winnings.
2. EB is not even ahead lifetime at roulette.
3. EB will continue with a virtually infinite stream of nonsensical posts never really answering with a real answer to any question posed to him.
4. EB’s next ‘even chance bet’ will likely lose as all of his ‘even chance bets’ are slight underdogs due to the green zeroes.
5. EB will respond to my post with some blather about how I think I’m the smartest guy in the room. I am not. But I’m smart enough to know 1-4 are facts, beyond ANY doubt.
I am frankly surprised that Axel is involved n this back and forth! Slow days a the AP bar?
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Soopoo the Magnificent, master of tarot cards and the Ouija board. Because that's the only place he could be getting these so-called facts about what I do. Because he has absolutely no idea what I'm doing he's just guessing, he's just throwing crap out there to see if it sticks to the wall because I guess it makes him feel good. Or maybe he's clairvoyant, that's the ticket, he throws chicken bones on the ground and reads them.
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That's my alternate system.
I've decided to wait till Mike gets back see if he says me posting 6 weeks worth of online Casino results has any meaning. I'll never arrive at a consensus with you people because you all have obvious agendas. Mike is the only fair one here.
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Six weeks of wagering one spin per day? And with some days skipped because it wasn't the right day?
So approximately 40 spins total?
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Even though Bob says cherry-picking is ok(for him anyway). You can see it's not cherry-picked since a slot was played prior and my last bet was Roullet. Can I claim I beat Roullet now? Fyi I am willing to video me logging in and showing its real money bets and real money play and confirm nothing is edited.
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Quote: TigerWuQuote: darkoz
Six weeks of wagering one spin per day? And with some days skipped because it wasn't the right day?
So approximately 40 spins total?
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He said he plays online so he can watch multiple tables at once. So, it could potentially be hundreds of spins in that time period, depending on how many tables he's watching.
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He has said multiple times that he watches multiple tables at once sometimes for many hours a day WITHOUT taking a single spin. Sometimes not taking a spin the entire day.
Then when he feels it's the right moment he takes just one wager. If he wins , he quits. If he loses he does a progression until he wins with a profit. And that never goes beyond 7 spins per day. AND that far into the progression is extremely rare
Those are his claims!
So yes we are talking about him asking the Wizard for an appraisal of about 40 spins of actual action since I doubt the Wizard would accept the many hours of non-wagering as evidence of anything.
It should be noted that while EB claims he spends hours waiting for a single spin to wager at roulette he also claims he can beat Baccarat but waiting for an opportunity to make a wager takes too long, perhaps more than a day therefore he doesn't waste his time watching online spins at Baccarat with a 1% disadvantage instead preferring to spend the same amount of time in the much more lucrative roulette at 5.26% disadvantage.
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Do it. It's either proof or it isn't. Proof doesn't rely on the consensus of a handful of people on an internet forum to be true or not.
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So you are saying if I present 6 weeks worth of legitimate play in the form of screen grab from an online casino that cannot be edited or screwed with in any way, you will consider that proof that I beat roulette? You say it's proof or it isn't, so which is it. I'm certainly not going to embark on this until I get a yes or no from people but mostly from Mike. Telling me do just it, is far different from you saying yes you'll accept it. So which is it, you will accept it or you won't.
EB deliberately misrepresented what Mike said about betting systems not denting the EV. Note that the EV is the same -2.7% no matter the session length. Betting systems don't change the EV. They only change the distribution of session outcomes.
| Session N | Win Prob | EV |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | 48.644% | -2.712% |
| 2 | 48.652% | -2.699% |
| 3 | 60.802% | -2.704% |
| 4 | 60.801% | -2.705% |
| 5 | 66.880% | -2.693% |
| 6 | 66.873% | -2.700% |
| 7 | 70.666% | -2.702% |
| 8 | 70.665% | -2.703% |
| 9 | 73.318% | -2.703% |
| 10 | 73.322% | -2.700% |
I should go back to ignoring this demented thread.
Quote: darkozQuote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolfSounds like you are describing your roulette system.Quote: EvenBobQuote: SOOPOOHundreds of posts since my last post on this topic.
The facts in summary.
1. EB does not pay his bills with roulette winnings.
2. EB is not even ahead lifetime at roulette.
3. EB will continue with a virtually infinite stream of nonsensical posts never really answering with a real answer to any question posed to him.
4. EB’s next ‘even chance bet’ will likely lose as all of his ‘even chance bets’ are slight underdogs due to the green zeroes.
5. EB will respond to my post with some blather about how I think I’m the smartest guy in the room. I am not. But I’m smart enough to know 1-4 are facts, beyond ANY doubt.
I am frankly surprised that Axel is involved n this back and forth! Slow days a the AP bar?
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Soopoo the Magnificent, master of tarot cards and the Ouija board. Because that's the only place he could be getting these so-called facts about what I do. Because he has absolutely no idea what I'm doing he's just guessing, he's just throwing crap out there to see if it sticks to the wall because I guess it makes him feel good. Or maybe he's clairvoyant, that's the ticket, he throws chicken bones on the ground and reads them.
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That's my alternate system.
I've decided to wait till Mike gets back see if he says me posting 6 weeks worth of online Casino results has any meaning. I'll never arrive at a consensus with you people because you all have obvious agendas. Mike is the only fair one here.
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Six weeks of wagering one spin per day? And with some days skipped because it wasn't the right day?
So approximately 40 spins total?
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No I'm not playing that method I'll be betting more than once a day.
Quote: AxelWolfI think that's a great Idea. I already said to let him decide what constitutes proof.Quote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolfSounds like you are describing your roulette system.Quote: EvenBobQuote: SOOPOOHundreds of posts since my last post on this topic.
The facts in summary.
1. EB does not pay his bills with roulette winnings.
2. EB is not even ahead lifetime at roulette.
3. EB will continue with a virtually infinite stream of nonsensical posts never really answering with a real answer to any question posed to him.
4. EB’s next ‘even chance bet’ will likely lose as all of his ‘even chance bets’ are slight underdogs due to the green zeroes.
5. EB will respond to my post with some blather about how I think I’m the smartest guy in the room. I am not. But I’m smart enough to know 1-4 are facts, beyond ANY doubt.
I am frankly surprised that Axel is involved n this back and forth! Slow days a the AP bar?
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Soopoo the Magnificent, master of tarot cards and the Ouija board. Because that's the only place he could be getting these so-called facts about what I do. Because he has absolutely no idea what I'm doing he's just guessing, he's just throwing crap out there to see if it sticks to the wall because I guess it makes him feel good. Or maybe he's clairvoyant, that's the ticket, he throws chicken bones on the ground and reads them.
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That's my alternate system.
I've decided to wait till Mike gets back see if he says me posting 6 weeks worth of online Casino results has any meaning..
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Perhaps he can even explain to you why some progression systems win more often than they lose.
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He doesn't need to explain anything to me, have you even read what he wrote about progressions? They all lose there's not a single one that's a winner if there was everybody would be playing it. I've played every progression under the sun at one time or another and they all work for me because I already have a winning method, so I use the simplest one possible, usually the D'alem. Easiest to keep track of, get one unit ahead and I'm done. If you all think this is easy you go ahead and try it and see how long you last. Lots of people like the Labby but that's too much work for me.
Quote: TigerWuQuote: darkoz
Six weeks of wagering one spin per day? And with some days skipped because it wasn't the right day?
So approximately 40 spins total?
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He said he plays online so he can watch multiple tables at once. So, it could potentially be hundreds of spins in that time period, depending on how many tables he's watching.
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For this I'll only be using one Casino otherwise it'll be screwed up. I can't be posting results from multiple casinos that would look like I'm messing with it so I can only play at one Casino. This has to be legitimate and look legitimate
Quote: AxelWolfIn the meantime, I will use Bob's standards of showing proof of beating Roullet. Day #1 up 3 units.
Even though Bob says cherry-picking is ok(for him anyway). You can see it's not cherry-picked since a slot was played prior and my last bet was Roullet. Can I claim I beat Roullet now? Fyi I am willing to video me logging in and showing its real money bets and real money play and confirm nothing is edited.
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205365434528223 Roulette - European 1.00 1.00 2023-07-25 12:33:33*
205365434527580 Roulette - European 1.00 1.00 2023-07-25 12:33:27*
205365434526882 Roulette - European 1.00 1.00 2023-07-25 12:33:19*
205365434526246 Roulette - European 1.00 1.00 2023-07-25 12:33:13*
205365434525580 Roulette - European -1.00 1.00 2023-07-25 12:33:06*
205365434524905 Roulette - European -1.00 1.00 2023-07-25 12:32:59*
205365434524203 Roulette - European 1.00 1.00 2023-07-25 12:32:52*
205365434523478 Roulette - European 1.00 1.00 2023-07-25 12:32:44*
205365434522802 Roulette - European -1.00 1.00 2023-07-25 12:32:37*
205365434521883 Roulette - European -1.00 1.00 2023-07-25 12:32:28*
205365434521208 Roulette - European 1.00 1.00 2023-07-25 12:32:21*
205365434520565 Roulette - European -1.00 1.00 2023-07-25 12:32:14*
205365434519756 Roulette - European 1.00 1.00 2023-07-25 12:32:06*
205365434518988 Roulette - European -1.00 1.00 2023-07-25 12:31:58*
205365434518109 Roulette - European -1.00 1.00 2023-07-25 12:31:49*
205365434516288 Roulette - European 1.00 1.00 2023-07-25 12:31:31*
205365434515203 Roulette - European 1.00 1.00 2023-07-25 12:31:20*
205365434514018 Roulette - European 1.00 1.00 2023-07-25 12:31:08*
205365434512588 Roulette - European -1.00 1.00 2023-07-25 12:30:53*
205365434507663 Fantasy Fortune 0.00 0.00 2023-07-25 12:30:05*
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I don't know what this tiny bit of information supposed to represent, something snatched out of thin air is meaningless. Do it for 6 weeks and get back to us. If you come out a winner why aren't you playing it.
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So you are saying if I present 6 weeks worth of legitimate play in the form of screen grab from an online casino that cannot be edited or screwed with in any way, you will consider that proof that I beat roulette? You say it's proof or it isn't, so which is it. I'm certainly not going to embark on this until I get a yes or no from people but mostly from Mike. Telling me do just it, is far different from you saying yes you'll accept it. So which is it, you will accept it or you won't.
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Whatever you present, if it's proof, it's proof. Proof can not be denied. I won't be able to deny it. I would have to accept it.
I am ready to admit you are the best and most informed roulette player in this thread.Quote: AxelWolfCan I claim I beat Roulette now?
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Quote: TigerWuQuote: EvenBob
So you are saying if I present 6 weeks worth of legitimate play in the form of screen grab from an online casino that cannot be edited or screwed with in any way, you will consider that proof that I beat roulette? You say it's proof or it isn't, so which is it. I'm certainly not going to embark on this until I get a yes or no from people but mostly from Mike. Telling me do just it, is far different from you saying yes you'll accept it. So which is it, you will accept it or you won't.
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Whatever you present, if it's proof, it's proof. Proof can not be denied. I won't be able to deny it. I would have to accept it.
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You're avoiding the question. If I present 6 weeks of winning and it's legitimate play will that be proof to you that I can consistently win at roulette. I can't ask it in any more straightforward manner.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: TigerWuQuote: EvenBob
So you are saying if I present 6 weeks worth of legitimate play in the form of screen grab from an online casino that cannot be edited or screwed with in any way, you will consider that proof that I beat roulette? You say it's proof or it isn't, so which is it. I'm certainly not going to embark on this until I get a yes or no from people but mostly from Mike. Telling me do just it, is far different from you saying yes you'll accept it. So which is it, you will accept it or you won't.
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Whatever you present, if it's proof, it's proof. Proof can not be denied. I won't be able to deny it. I would have to accept it.
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You're avoiding the question. If I present 6 weeks of winning and it's legitimate play will that be proof to you that I can consistently win at roulette. I can't ask it in any more straightforward manner.
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No it won't.
So can we just end this thread and challenge now?
I didn't say they were long-term winners, I said they win more often than they lose.Quote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolfI think that's a great Idea. I already said to let him decide what constitutes proof.Quote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolfSounds like you are describing your roulette system.Quote: EvenBobQuote: SOOPOOHundreds of posts since my last post on this topic.
The facts in summary.
1. EB does not pay his bills with roulette winnings.
2. EB is not even ahead lifetime at roulette.
3. EB will continue with a virtually infinite stream of nonsensical posts never really answering with a real answer to any question posed to him.
4. EB’s next ‘even chance bet’ will likely lose as all of his ‘even chance bets’ are slight underdogs due to the green zeroes.
5. EB will respond to my post with some blather about how I think I’m the smartest guy in the room. I am not. But I’m smart enough to know 1-4 are facts, beyond ANY doubt.
I am frankly surprised that Axel is involved n this back and forth! Slow days a the AP bar?
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Soopoo the Magnificent, master of tarot cards and the Ouija board. Because that's the only place he could be getting these so-called facts about what I do. Because he has absolutely no idea what I'm doing he's just guessing, he's just throwing crap out there to see if it sticks to the wall because I guess it makes him feel good. Or maybe he's clairvoyant, that's the ticket, he throws chicken bones on the ground and reads them.
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That's my alternate system.
I've decided to wait till Mike gets back see if he says me posting 6 weeks worth of online Casino results has any meaning..
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Perhaps he can even explain to you why some progression systems win more often than they lose.
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He doesn't need to explain anything to me, have you even read what he wrote about progressions? They all lose there's not a single one that's a winner if there was everybody would be playing it. I've played every progression under the sun at one time or another and they all work for me because I already have a winning method, so I use the simplest one possible, usually the D'alem. Easiest to keep track of, get one unit ahead and I'm done. If you all think this is easy you go ahead and try it and see how long you last. Lots of people like the Labby but that's too much work for me.
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: TigerWuQuote: EvenBob
So you are saying if I present 6 weeks worth of legitimate play in the form of screen grab from an online casino that cannot be edited or screwed with in any way, you will consider that proof that I beat roulette? You say it's proof or it isn't, so which is it. I'm certainly not going to embark on this until I get a yes or no from people but mostly from Mike. Telling me do just it, is far different from you saying yes you'll accept it. So which is it, you will accept it or you won't.
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Whatever you present, if it's proof, it's proof. Proof can not be denied. I won't be able to deny it. I would have to accept it.
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You're avoiding the question. If I present 6 weeks of winning and it's legitimate play will that be proof to you that I can consistently win at roulette. I can't ask it in any more straightforward manner.
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Did you not read the part where I said "I would have to accept it?"
Stop stalling and get to work on your proof.
Because I'm not dumb enough to believe just because you are winning on something for an extended period of time that you have a winning method. You need ejumucate yourself on some variance and standard deviation stuffses.Quote: EvenBobIf you come out a winner why aren't you playing it.
What does consistently equate to? How many bets total do you think you will be making over those 6 weeks?Quote: EvenBobQuote: TigerWuQuote: EvenBob
So you are saying if I present 6 weeks worth of legitimate play in the form of screen grab from an online casino that cannot be edited or screwed with in any way, you will consider that proof that I beat roulette? You say it's proof or it isn't, so which is it. I'm certainly not going to embark on this until I get a yes or no from people but mostly from Mike. Telling me do just it, is far different from you saying yes you'll accept it. So which is it, you will accept it or you won't.
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Whatever you present, if it's proof, it's proof. Proof can not be denied. I won't be able to deny it. I would have to accept it.
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You're avoiding the question. If I present 6 weeks of winning and it's legitimate play will that be proof to you that I can consistently win at roulette. I can't ask it in any more straightforward manner.
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in the meantime here are some more of my roulette results that I played just for you... because I was confident I could win.
205365435545486 Roulette - European 1.00 1.00 2023-07-25 15:01:04*
205365435543264 Roulette - European 4.00 4.00 2023-07-25 15:00:45*
205365435540816 Roulette - European -2.00 2.00 2023-07-25 15:00:24*
205365435538463 Roulette - European -1.00 1.00 2023-07-25 15:00:05*
205365435535330 Roulette - European 1.00 1.00 2023-07-25 14:59:38*
205365435533624 Roulette - European -1.00 1.00 2023-07-25 14:59:23*
Quote: EvenBobSo you are saying if I present 6 weeks worth of legitimate play in the form of screen grab from an online casino that cannot be edited or screwed with in any way, you will consider that proof that I beat roulette?
If you present 6 weeks worth of legitimate play in the form of screen grabs from an online casino showing that you win more often than you lose, which is exactly what you are claiming, then yes, I will consider that proof that you can beat roulette over a 6 week period of time.
I can not get any more specific than that.
Key word "consider"Quote: TigerWuLet me try this again:
Quote: EvenBobSo you are saying if I present 6 weeks worth of legitimate play in the form of screen grab from an online casino that cannot be edited or screwed with in any way, you will consider that proof that I beat roulette?
If you present 6 weeks worth of legitimate play in the form of screen grabs from an online casino showing that you win more often than you lose, which is exactly what you are claiming, then yes, I will consider that proof that you can beat roulette over a 6 week period of time.
I can not get any more specific than that.
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Quote: darkozQuote: EvenBobQuote: TigerWuQuote: EvenBob
So you are saying if I present 6 weeks worth of legitimate play in the form of screen grab from an online casino that cannot be edited or screwed with in any way, you will consider that proof that I beat roulette? You say it's proof or it isn't, so which is it. I'm certainly not going to embark on this until I get a yes or no from people but mostly from Mike. Telling me do just it, is far different from you saying yes you'll accept it. So which is it, you will accept it or you won't.
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Whatever you present, if it's proof, it's proof. Proof can not be denied. I won't be able to deny it. I would have to accept it.
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You're avoiding the question. If I present 6 weeks of winning and it's legitimate play will that be proof to you that I can consistently win at roulette. I can't ask it in any more straightforward manner.
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No it won't.
So can we just end this thread and challenge now?
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That's your opinion which in this matter has no sway because I can present Rock Solid proof and you would never accept it in a million years.
Quote: TigerWuQuote: EvenBobQuote: TigerWuQuote: EvenBob
So you are saying if I present 6 weeks worth of legitimate play in the form of screen grab from an online casino that cannot be edited or screwed with in any way, you will consider that proof that I beat roulette? You say it's proof or it isn't, so which is it. I'm certainly not going to embark on this until I get a yes or no from people but mostly from Mike. Telling me do just it, is far different from you saying yes you'll accept it. So which is it, you will accept it or you won't.
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Whatever you present, if it's proof, it's proof. Proof can not be denied. I won't be able to deny it. I would have to accept it.
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You're avoiding the question. If I present 6 weeks of winning and it's legitimate play will that be proof to you that I can consistently win at roulette. I can't ask it in any more straightforward manner.
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Did you not read the part where I said "I would have to accept it?"
Stop stalling and get to work on your proof.
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You're still avoiding the question. You would have to accept it as what, proof that I did the work or proof that I beat roulette consistently. You need to use those words, you need to say I will accept it as proof that you beat roulette consistently. You act like this is my first rodeo.
What about posting copies of tax returns for the past five years, with most info redacted for privacy?
Leave in where as a long term winner you declare more winnings than losses and show the taxable portion.
Five years of profit every year should be the expected result.
As returns can be faked, it would be best to post screeshots of IRS transcripts, assuming they show the detail necessary.
Heck, Even a Boob can see this would be helpful..
Quote: AxelWolfBecause I'm not dumb enough to believe just because you are winning on something for an extended period of time that you have a winning method. You need ejumucate yourself on some variance and standard deviation stuffses.Quote: EvenBobIf you come out a winner why aren't you playing it.
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So for you me presenting 6 weeks worth of play is not enough, correct? Is that what you're saying that you will not accept that as proof that I consistently be roulette?
What about posting copies of tax returns for the past five years, with most info redacted for privacy?
As a long term winner players are of course required to declare winnings on 1040 and losses on Schedule A, and show the taxable profit from gambling and pay a tax on it.
Five years of profit every year should be the expected result.
As returns can be faked, it would be best to post screenshots of IRS transcripts, assuming they show the detail necessary.
Heck, even a boob can see this would be helpful.
Quote: TigerWuLet me try this again:
Quote: EvenBobSo you are saying if I present 6 weeks worth of legitimate play in the form of screen grab from an online casino that cannot be edited or screwed with in any way, you will consider that proof that I beat roulette?
If you present 6 weeks worth of legitimate play in the form of screen grabs from an online casino showing that you win more often than you lose, which is exactly what you are claiming, then yes, I will consider that proof that you can beat roulette over a 6 week period of time.
I can not get any more specific than that.
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So how many weeks or months or years of play would I have to present for you to say that I beat roulette consistently. This is all very telling to me that everybody here knows almost nothing about roulette, you seem to think that beating roulette is tremendously easy and can be done for weeks and weeks and weeks at a time and you always come outa winter to the point where you wrongly fool yourself into thinking you've beaten the game. Go ahead and try it for just a short amount of time to let me know what happens. LOL I've been doing this for years and years and years, and its sounding like to be believed I'm going to have to present years and years and years of proof. So all of you clamoring endlessly for me to present my Casino history from the last year and a half is meaningless, you want to see it for completely different reasons than to see if I'm winning long-term.
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So for you me presenting 6 weeks worth of play is not enough, correct? Is that what you're saying that you will not accept that as proof that I consistently be roulette?
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Evenbob is not going to demonstrate or attempt to prove anything.
Nothing to see here.
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So how many weeks or months or years of play would I have to present for you to say that I beat roulette consistently.
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YOU said six weeks. That was YOUR standard. You also said you win more often than you lose. These are YOUR words.
I am simply agreeing to the terms that YOU set forth. You said you can offer proof that you win more often than you lose, and that you could provide six weeks of records as proof.
I am agreeing to that. I am saying if those six weeks of records show that you win more often than you lose, then I will concede that you can win at Roulette more often than you lose at Roulette over a six week period, which, again, is the time-span that YOU are offering as proof.
Are you going to do that, or are you going to keep stalling and trying to move the goalposts?
