Drop for a new game

I'd be curious to get everyone's perspective on what they would consider a good drop for a new game after a couple months on the floor.
Maybe we can break it up between large casinos (strip like) and local casinos.

Quote: 3Dice

I'd be curious to get everyone's perspective on what they would consider a good drop for a new game after a couple months on the floor.
Maybe we can break it up between large casinos (strip like) and local casinos.

$5K on the strip, $3K local would be great for a new game in its first 3 months (assuming a hold of about 20%).

Quote: teliot

$5K on the strip, $3K local would be great for a new game in its first 3 months (assuming a hold of about 20%).

I think Casino size is a little more relevant than local or not local. 3k a day might be only fair at a place like Casino Arizona in my State. 3k a day at my Casino would be a guaranteed keeper.

ZCore13

(1) Would 3k be for a typical bj table or UTH table, or the same?

(2) How could one determine if a bj side bet brings any extra drops?

On side bets you are generally comparing drop before and after the installation. The difference is the incremental drop.....but you really need to have year over year data to take into account seasonality and new game vs game that is beyond its "everyone is going to try it" phase.

I was at red rock watching 40x Blackjack on a $10 table. Two high rollers were betting $120~$40 every hand for a long long time. Again nothing on the side bet at all. I thought about this thread: an inventor could play on his side bet table jacking up the drops without really participste the side bet. The numbers would look very good. The ides is crazy, but feasible. Right?

Quote: RoyalBJ

I was at red rock watching 40x Blackjack on a $10 table. Two high rollers were betting $120~$40 every hand for a long long time. Again nothing on the side bet at all. I thought about this thread: an inventor could play on his side bet table jacking up the drops without really participste the side bet. The numbers would look very good. The ides is crazy, but feasible. Right?

Not very feasible. Why would an inventor want to lose more money than the table is making him? the theoretical loss in just half a day of playing would equal the income from the table rental for the inventor probably. And that's just half a day of play. Wouldn't really even put much of a dent into the monthly numbers.

Zcore13

Quote: Zcore13

Not very feasible. Why would an inventor want to lose more money than the table is making him? the theoretical loss in just half a day of playing would equal the income from the table rental for the inventor probably. And that's just half a day of play. Wouldn't really even put much of a dent into the monthly numbers.

Zcore13

Some game inventors hire shills to make their games successful during the trial period. One guy I knew spent close to 10K on his own game at a casino to make the numbers look good. Once you have a successful trial, you can market your game elsewhere, right?

Quote: teliot

Some game inventors hire shills to make their games successful during the trial period. One guy I knew spent close to 10K on his own game at a casino to make the numbers look good. Once you have a successful trial, you can market your game elsewhere, right?

I guess maybe some (many?) Table Games Directors are just lemmings and need previous installs or numbers to justify what they do. It's hard for me to think like that sometimes.

It wouldn't have mattered if High Card Flush had no installs when I saw it. I would have jumped on it as fast as I could. I brought in a Texas,Holdem game about 7 years ago that saved our Pit during the recession. No installs in Nevada, California, Arizona at the time. Maybe a dozen Country-wide?

A good Table Games person should know their market, customer base and the features that make a game work and shouldn't even care who's installed it first.


ZCore13

Quote: teliot

Some game inventors hire shills to make their games successful during the trial period. One guy I knew spent close to 10K on his own game at a casino to make the numbers look good. Once you have a successful trial, you can market your game elsewhere, right?

But using shills is a net losing effort if the goal is to drive game performance numbers.......if the game can't stand on its own, subsequent installations will need to be similarly "shill supported" or will fail.

Shills can work to be "players at the table" so other players feel comfortable in joining them "to learn this new game" and shills can guide new players in basic strategy. Essentially, they can serve a role in making it easier for new players to try & learn the game without having to rely on the Deal Staff which some players don't trust to always have their best interests in mind.

Much easier to place a new game in a property like Z's and know that the Deal Staff and management know what it takes to support a new game and get players to try it out. If players try the game and don't come back to play it again, it isn't going to matter how much one or two shills dropped/lost on the game during the trial.....the game is going to get yanked.