Keyser
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May 18th, 2015 at 9:27:33 PM permalink
I heard, second hand an absurd comment that playing with an edge is illegal in Indiana.
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May 18th, 2015 at 9:33:31 PM permalink
Quote: Keyser

I heard, second hand an absurd comment that playing with an edge is illegal in Indiana.


The only place it's possibly "illegal" is in an Indian casino.
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May 18th, 2015 at 11:15:24 PM permalink
Generally speaking, it's mostly like Nevada legally. Probably less opportunities though.

According to this article, they can ban card counters ala Nevada. But you wouldn't be prosecuted for card counting.

http://www.smsm.com/blogs-litigationblog,Indiana_Supreme_Court_Says_Card_Counters_Can_Be_Banned

As for VP, no electronic game can have a long term payback >100% in Indiana, so grinding options like 10/7 DB (100.17%) and Full Pay Deuces (100.76%) are also unavailable.
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June 2nd, 2015 at 6:50:41 AM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

Generally speaking, it's mostly like Nevada legally. Probably less opportunities though.

According to this article, they can ban card counters ala Nevada. But you wouldn't be prosecuted for card counting.

http://www.smsm.com/blogs-litigationblog,Indiana_Supreme_Court_Says_Card_Counters_Can_Be_Banned

As for VP, no electronic game can have a long term payback >100% in Indiana, so grinding options like 10/7 DB (100.17%) and Full Pay Deuces (100.76%) are also unavailable.



This doesn't make card counting illegal. No one's going to jail for card counting. But thye can ban you for it, same as they can ban you if they don't like your face or you're not wearing pants (which comes close to happening at my casino all too often.)
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June 2nd, 2015 at 7:28:44 AM permalink
Quote: hwccdealer

This doesn't make card counting illegal. No one's going to jail for card counting. But they can ban you for it, same as they can ban you if they don't like your face or you're not wearing pants (which comes close to happening at my casino all too often.)



Wait, I'm confused! Which comes close to happening at your casino: management banning someone because they don't like his face, or people not wearing pants? :)
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June 2nd, 2015 at 7:41:16 AM permalink
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Wait, I'm confused! Which comes close to happening at your casino: management banning someone because they don't like his face, or people not wearing pants? :)



I'm gonna take a wild stab in the dark and say for not wearing pants.
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June 2nd, 2015 at 11:43:20 AM permalink
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I'm gonna take a wild stab in the dark and say for not wearing pants.



It really depends on the person (and the pants they're not wearing) if management likes that or not.
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June 2nd, 2015 at 11:48:31 AM permalink
Of course its Illegal.
Its way past 1984.
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June 2nd, 2015 at 12:05:36 PM permalink
Quote: tringlomane


As for VP, no electronic game can have a long term payback >100% in Indiana, so grinding options like 10/7 DB (100.17%) and Full Pay Deuces (100.76%) are also unavailable.



I agree, I think that is what was probably meant. It is illegal to offer games of 100% or greater.
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June 2nd, 2015 at 2:22:55 PM permalink
Quote: hwccdealer

This doesn't make card counting illegal. No one's going to jail for card counting. But thye can ban you for it, same as they can ban you if they don't like your face or you're not wearing pants (which comes close to happening at my casino all too often.)



This is an important distinction. Being banned from a casino is no different than being banned from Chuck E Cheese. The management has decided that you are not welcome on the property. That's their right as a business owner. That doesn't mean you did anything illegal, just that they don't want you on their property. Just like if you ask someone to leave your house. They have to go. Doesn't mean they did anything illegal.
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June 2nd, 2015 at 2:40:11 PM permalink
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Being banned from a casino is no different than being banned from Chuck E Cheese.

Trust me, Chuck E. Cheese will absolutely ban you if you are not wearing pants! Er, I mean, that's what a friend told me...

Quote: vendman1

That doesn't mean you did anything illegal

That's exactly what I my friend tried to tell them!
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June 2nd, 2015 at 3:18:00 PM permalink
Quote: Joeman

Trust me, Chuck E. Cheese will absolutely ban you if you are not wearing pants! Er, I mean, that's what a friend told me...

That's exactly what I my friend tried to tell them!

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June 2nd, 2015 at 4:09:10 PM permalink
Quote: vendman1

Being banned from a casino is no different than being banned from Chuck E Cheese.



That's got great tagline potential.

Skeeball may be -EV, but it's very enjoyable.
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June 3rd, 2015 at 12:28:18 AM permalink
Quote: Dieter

That's got great tagline potential.

Skeeball may be -EV, but it's very enjoyable.



Not if you pull on the tickets as they come out the dispencer. You can get 2 - 3 extra tickets because the slot it comes out of doesnt break off the tickets on the roll.
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June 3rd, 2015 at 4:43:57 AM permalink
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You can get 2 - 3 extra tickets because the slot it comes out of doesnt break off the tickets on the roll.



My rough estimates say that to even think about being +EV, with a 25 cent token, you need to be getting 80+ tickets per token.

That's assuming you can buy tickets for a penny a piece, and that everything available for redemption is priced at least twice as expensive as maybe it should be.


If you're going for tickets, skeeball isn't the game. My recollection is the dinosaur flipper where you try to get the tokens to land in the various volcanoes does better.

The ticket eaters are also susceptible to "creativity". Scales, not so much.
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June 3rd, 2015 at 10:55:09 AM permalink
Quote: vendman1

That doesn't mean you did anything illegal, just that they don't want you on their property. Just like if you ask someone to leave your house. They have to go. Doesn't mean they did anything illegal.



The problem is when gaming officials consider casino policy to be state law. In other words, if the casino says that advantage play is not allowed in the casino, then the gaming minions tell the players that they're breaking the law.
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June 3rd, 2015 at 11:32:52 AM permalink
Quote: Keyser

I heard, second hand an absurd comment that playing with an edge is illegal in Indiana.


So what happens if I'm watching a table and notice the count goes to TC +10... the players at the table (not counting of course) are playing with a near 4.5% advantage. Do they go to jail? Or is it only illegal if you KNOW you have an advantage?


...lol
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June 4th, 2015 at 7:08:36 AM permalink
Quote: Dieter

That's got great tagline potential.

Skeeball may be -EV, but it's very enjoyable.



Well, y'know, if Chuck E. Cheese lost every hand, they wouldn't deal Skee Ball.
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June 4th, 2015 at 7:10:09 AM permalink
Quote: Dieter

It really depends on the person (and the pants they're not wearing) if management likes that or not.



We haven't seen anyone truly not wearing pants (minus the occasional woman in a dress) but they way their pants hung down and exposed their underwear, we had to give them a finger-wag for that...so it was close to the whole "not wearing pants" thing. But I suppose at least they were keeping their ankles warm.
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June 4th, 2015 at 7:12:25 AM permalink
Quote: hwccdealer

We haven't seen anyone truly not wearing pants (minus the occasional woman in a dress) but they way their pants hung down and exposed their underwear, we had to give them a finger-wag for that...so it was close to the whole "not wearing pants" thing. But I suppose at least they were keeping their ankles warm.

I've seen them get the boot at MGM for it if they didn't pull them up.
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