djatc
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March 26th, 2015 at 9:07:11 PM permalink
I don't understand this "Us vs. Them" mentality when it comes to AP's and casino staff. I have no problem with an establishment offering a legal service in exchange for money as long as it's legal. If I see good value I'll buy whatever it is they are offering, and if not I will go elsewhere.

I smoke and usually end up buying $12 packs of cigs on the strip if I'm too lazy to get to a gas station for $6. I don't see it as the casino ripping me off, it's a convenience fee for my laziness, and I will gladly pay if I'm in the casino.

Some AP's I feel are misguided in placing hatred in a casino. It feels like they are justifying the fact we don't contribute to society in any way. I know that what I do for a living doesn't help anyone or make the world a better place, but I'm content with being able to make money finding mathematical advantages in my favor due to a promotion or playing their mailer game. It's like a video game for me, to find the optimal strategy to grind out a profit. Just as I'm writing this I just logged almost 60 hours on Fallout 3 and 40 on FFX HD lol. I've always enjoyed RPGs where I can go from the weakest flea to Godlike by finding out the best leveling techniques.
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mcallister3200
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March 26th, 2015 at 9:20:26 PM permalink
I probably got a little bit out of line, and I don't hate casinos, but I do feel like some of their business practices are just unacceptably immoral.

The paycheck cashing promotions that the local Las Vegas casinos run, for example, I feel are designed to prey on weak willed individuals who will spend money there immediately before they can take the money home to buy essential items and pay bills. I think these sort of practices are a major reason that you see such a significant segment of Las Vegas residents living in poverty, from paycheck to paycheck.
djatc
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March 26th, 2015 at 9:32:38 PM permalink
Quote: mcallister3200

I probably got a little bit out of line, and I don't hate casinos, but I do feel like some of their business practices are just unacceptably immoral.

The paycheck cashing promotions that the local Las Vegas casinos run, for example, I feel are designed to prey on weak willed individuals who will spend money there immediately before they can take the money home to buy essential items and pay bills. I think these sort of practices are a major reason that you see such a significant segment of Las Vegas residents living in poverty, from paycheck to paycheck



You know it is kinda funky that lots of people in Vegas are broke, seeing as they live in the cheapest places to live. I prefer the option of making a stupid decision myself instead of the government telling me what is right or wrong, so I rather see many casinos and Dotty's around than state regulated casinos. Anyway that's enough of my soapbox about government intervention....

The business is immoral in some aspects, but isn't it all up to the end consumer to make a choice whether or not to place a bet with a negative expectation? I do want assistance required for problem gamblers, but a casino isn't sticking their hands in your pocket for your last dollar.
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RS
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March 26th, 2015 at 9:44:41 PM permalink
All you gotta realize is that casinos give out FREE ALCOHOL to players. (May as well give them roofies instead, it'll increase the table games hold by 10x....err, I mean players will have 10x more fun!) With any common sense, you can connect the dots: handing out free alcohol (in such an environment) is not intended to make players have more fun, it is intended for players to gamble recklessly and give everything to the casino.

Think about that, everywhere else in business marks up alcohol 500%. But casinos give it out for free. They must be so generous!


Sure, part of what casinos do isn't bad. But there are other parts that are bad. A not-bad part is a regular vacationer going out with some buddies and gambling a few hundred. No problem there (in my opinion). The problem is they are preying on the weak.
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sc15
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March 26th, 2015 at 10:03:58 PM permalink
Quote: djatc

I don't understand this "Us vs. Them" mentality when it comes to AP's and casino staff. I have no problem with an establishment offering a legal service in exchange for money as long as it's legal. If I see good value I'll buy whatever it is they are offering, and if not I will go elsewhere.

I smoke and usually end up buying $12 packs of cigs on the strip if I'm too lazy to get to a gas station for $6. I don't see it as the casino ripping me off, it's a convenience fee for my laziness, and I will gladly pay if I'm in the casino.

Some AP's I feel are misguided in placing hatred in a casino. It feels like they are justifying the fact we don't contribute to society in any way. I know that what I do for a living doesn't help anyone or make the world a better place, but I'm content with being able to make money finding mathematical advantages in my favor due to a promotion or playing their mailer game. It's like a video game for me, to find the optimal strategy to grind out a profit. Just as I'm writing this I just logged almost 60 hours on Fallout 3 and 40 on FFX HD lol. I've always enjoyed RPGs where I can go from the weakest flea to Godlike by finding out the best leveling techniques.



I think I've done some good being an AP. Some of the dealers who've gotten fired as a result of my play might've gone out and got real jobs.
Zcore13
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March 26th, 2015 at 10:07:33 PM permalink
Quote: RS

All you gotta realize is that casinos give out FREE ALCOHOL to players. (May as well give them roofies instead, it'll increase the table games hold by 10x....err, I mean players will have 10x more fun!) With any common sense, you can connect the dots: handing out free alcohol (in such an environment) is not intended to make players have more fun, it is intended for players to gamble recklessly and give everything to the casino.

Think about that, everywhere else in business marks up alcohol 500%. But casinos give it out for free. They must be so generous!


Sure, part of what casinos do isn't bad. But there are other parts that are bad. A not-bad part is a regular vacationer going out with some buddies and gambling a few hundred. No problem there (in my opinion). The problem is they are preying on the weak.



Not all casinos give out free alcohol. They do in Nevada. It's illegal in Arizona. Not sure about other States. Not every Casino is in Las Vegas. As a matter of fact only about 75 out of 1500 casinos in the Country are in Las Vegas.


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sc15
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March 26th, 2015 at 10:15:33 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

Not all casinos give out free alcohol. They do in Nevada. It's illegal in Arizona. Not sure about other States. Not every Casino is in Las Vegas. As a matter of fact only about 75 out of 1500 casinos in the Country are in Las Vegas.


ZCore13



Almost every casino that can legally give out free alcohol does so.

I've gotten free alcohol (indirectly) in casinos that aren't allowed to. Basically my host gave me free play approximately equal to how much I spent on alcohol in the trip. (They couldn't legally take it off my bill, but giving out free play is obviously legal). But that's obviously given to few players.
Zcore13
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March 26th, 2015 at 10:16:12 PM permalink
Quote: sc15

I think I've done some good being an AP. Some of the dealers who've gotten fired as a result of my play might've gone out and got real jobs.



I have a $100 that says you're not an AP and another $100 that says nothing you've done has caused someone to get fired.


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sc15
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March 26th, 2015 at 10:18:53 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

I have a $100 that says you're not an AP and another $100 that says nothing you've done has caused someone to get fired.


ZCore13



Damn, got me.

Yeah, I really make a living by begging on the strip.
Paigowdan
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March 27th, 2015 at 7:45:10 AM permalink
Quote: RS

All you gotta realize is that casinos give out FREE ALCOHOL to players. (May as well give them roofies instead, it'll increase the table games hold by 10x....err, I mean players will have 10x more fun!) With any common sense, you can connect the dots: handing out free alcohol (in such an environment) is not intended to make players have more fun, it is intended for players to gamble recklessly and give everything to the casino.

Think about that, everywhere else in business marks up alcohol 500%. But casinos give it out for free. They must be so generous!


Sure, part of what casinos do isn't bad. But there are other parts that are bad. A not-bad part is a regular vacationer going out with some buddies and gambling a few hundred. No problem there (in my opinion). The problem is they are preying on the weak.



Enough of this casino conspiracy talk on booze:

1. If a casino didn't serve alcohol, the gripe would be: "What kind of cheap and conspiratorial place is this! They don't even offer alcohol beverage service when all the players can only be adults! Cheap conspiratorial bastards!"

2. If a casino charged for alcohol, the gripe would be: "What kind of cheap and conspiratorial place is this! They charge for alcohol while they are also making money on the games! That's doubling dipping!" (and no different than a movie house charging for popcorn and soda: pay for what you use).

3. And If a casino gave free adult/alcohol beverage service, the gripe would be: "What kind of cheap and conspiratorial place is this! They provide us free drinks - a complimentary beverage service as a courtesy for the players, - the nerve! They're trying to get us drunk so we'd play badly and take our money, even though we are responsible for our own drinking at our own discretion and option! It's horrible, I tell ya! It's a conspiracy!"

Well, all three scenarios occur at American casinos, - generally varying by the state.

So, which scenario is the fair scenario? Or else, provide us the beverage scenario that wouldn't be conspiratorial.

Since you can only:
1. not provide a beverage service;
2. Charge for the beverage service, or;
3. Provide a complimentary beverage service as a courtesy, then one has to be the fair option.
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