The Savannah
Quote: DRichI have read his books which are interesting but poorly written. The thing that shocks me the most is that he was never arrested.
Yeah, i was wondering how he never got arrested too.
Quote: ShineyShineI don't like cheats, but i have to agree this is a genius cheating move. The book is excellent too, the way he describes the dealers and casinos procedures, you can tell he really knows his stuff. Still a scumbag cheat though.
Yeah, he got his start cheating at the tables at Four Queens...as a dealer.
Quote: BozObviously it seems to have worked but did he have to leave a table after 1 win? Losing on $15 bets and winning on $5010 ones seems like it would draw heat quickly.
If i remember the book correctly, they would leave after one attempt, win or lose. On the even chance bets, they wouldn't have to wait long for a winner obviously. I think they considered doing it on a straight up , but would be potentially waiting too long to hit.
Later, these cheaters from time to time became gambling consultants but there was no respect or trust, they were just viewed in the industry as thieves who had been caught.
Some casinos did hire such consultants from time to time but I don't think anyone accords them a level of trust and respect.
In the days of miniature electronics it must be a field day at roulette tables but clocking a wheel to get "target octests" just doesn't yield much.
I will also give private card counting classes for ONLY 3k.Quote: GreasyjohnRichard Marcus will give you a private one day class in card counting for $5,000. I'll bet no one has taken him up on that.
Quote: ShineyShineIf i remember the book correctly, they would leave after one attempt, win or lose. On the even chance bets, they wouldn't have to wait long for a winner obviously. I think they considered doing it on a straight up , but would be potentially waiting too long to hit.
My memory is that they would play a few more hands after they claimed a big win, and in a similar style. For example they might bet $510 after winning on a $5200.
Quote: ShineyShineOne thing i cant get my head round though, and i cant remember if he explains it in the book or not, is that if its a $15 or less minimum bet on the even chances, there's no table i've ever dealt on that would have a $5,000+ maximum without prior agreement for that player.
I haven't read the book, but I think that is one of the issues they discuss in the video, without specifically stating it. Once the bet has been placed on the table and the wheel and ball have been spun/rolled, it certainly appears that the casino has accepted the wager, even if it exceeds the table maximum. That's why they said they had to pay off the winning bets. The whole Savannah scam started to die in Las Vegas when the casinos began to refuse to pay out on the winning bets, presumably by saying it was invalid because it exceeded the posted limits. That was the turning point when he took the scam international. At least that's what I thought I heard them say.
Quote: DocThe whole Savannah scam started to die in Las Vegas when the casinos began to refuse to pay out on the winning bets, presumably by saying it was invalid because it exceeded the posted limits.
The casinos started to not pay the bets not because they exceeded the posted limits, but because they knew that Marcus knew that if Gaming was called in that he would get too much heat for pulling the same move more than once. It worked. Marcus never did want Gaming called.
Quote: ShineyShineStill a scumbag cheat though.
Cheating scumbag casinos is an honorable
profession.
Quote: mcallister3200I will also give private card counting classes for ONLY 3k.
Does that include a laminated Basic Strategy card?
Quote: GreasyjohnDoes that include a laminated Basic Strategy card?
I charge $9.99 extra for the laminated cards, but my course is only $2k per day or $3k for the weekend! PM for details ;) lol
This was absolutely a genius tactic. It shows in the fact that he was never arrested doing it. No casino could really catch him if they bet once then left unless they were specifically targeting him, and HOPED that he lost so they could catch the switch on tape. Regardless if he was a delinquent or not, it was a genius idea in it's time.
http://www.richardmarcusbooks.com/pokercheatingmoves.php
Quote: RomesI charge $9.99 extra for the laminated cards, but my course is only $2k per day or $3k for the weekend! PM for details ;) lol
This was absolutely a genius tactic. It shows in the fact that he was never arrested doing it. No casino could really catch him if they bet once then left unless they were specifically targeting him, and HOPED that he lost so they could catch the switch on tape. Regardless if he was a delinquent or not, it was a genius idea in it's time.
The thing that's so clever about it is that he doesn't try to grab the bet unnoticed. He lets the dealer catch him, and plays it off like a rookie mistake. As far as the dealer, or anyone in surveillance is concerned, here's a guy who picked up his bet simply because he thought the hand was over. It happens dozens of times a day with dozens of players, and nobody thinks anything of it. Nobody realized that the bet he's "putting back" is not the bet he picked up.
Not condoning his actions either, but you have to marvel at it.
Quote: GreasyjohnDoes that include a laminated Basic Strategy card?
I offer the laminated basic strategy cards only for $24.99 each, but I don't make you sit through the class to get them for that price.
