Make my bet for me!

I just received a $100 Free Bet for Mohegan Sun, and I'll be driving past there this afternoon. I have no time to do anything else other than play this wager, so I figured I'd throw it out to the crowd and ask what I should put the coupon on. I know which have the best return based on the Wizard's charts, but they are all fairly close, and for one bet it is less of a real difference. You have a couple of hours to vote, so don't delay!

are you going to break it down into 10 bets or similar. Or put it all on the line in one bet?

Take the pass line, or even the don't. It will last longer than in BJ.

Quote: odiousgambit

are you going to break it down into 10 bets or similar. Or put it all on the line in one bet?

I'm only allowed 1 bet, $100, no break down allowed.

Quote: AZDuffman

Take the pass line, or even the don't. It will last longer than in BJ.

Can't play the Don't...the coupon is very specific. The bets I listed are basically the only ones available that you wouldn't have to put another bet up (3CP, etc). Time for enjoyment is also a non-factor. This is the only bet I'll be placing, so 30 seconds or 2 minutes isn't a concern.

Quote: cclub79

Can't play the Don't...the coupon is very specific. The bets I listed are basically the only ones available that you wouldn't have to put another bet up (3CP, etc). Time for enjoyment is also a non-factor. This is the only bet I'll be placing, so 30 seconds or 2 minutes isn't a concern.

Even with the new info I'll stand by the passline. 1.41% house edge but as someone who took craps dealer class I need to stand up for the game. :-)

I like the option given in Ask The Wizard.

The scenario might not be exactly what you have, but I still think you should walk up to the Baccarat table and bet on Banker.

Both the craps Don't Pass and Baccarat Banker bets are also even money bets. Does the coupon say only even money bets, or does it state that the bets you listed are the only ones allowed? If that's the case, then go with Player.

go for the one bet in Baccarat is my vote, on banker if possible, but the other choices are OK too.

I believe I saw some indication somewhere that you factor whether it is free play or your own money? anybody know the thinking on that, or is that even true?

Quote: seattledice

I like the option given in Ask The Wizard.

The scenario might not be exactly what you have, but I still think you should walk up to the Baccarat table and bet on Banker.

Both the craps Don't Pass and Baccarat Banker bets are also even money bets. Does the coupon say only even money bets, or does it state that the bets you listed are the only ones allowed? If that's the case, then go with Player.

Those are the only ones allowed. No Banker.

Make sure you read AND understand the coupon, ...
then I vote for PassLine at Craps.

At Roulette its one spin,,, win or lose.
At Craps, it CAN be that, but you may also get the suspense of further rolls.
At BJ, it CAN be win or lose, but you get the burden of making additional decisions and perhaps having some idiot at the table whose ignorance meant he took "your" card.
At Baccarat its one hand, but Banker is not available to you, so screw them!

So,,, make it the PassLine ... and good luck to you!

Quote: FleaStiff

Make sure you read AND understand the coupon, ...
then I vote for PassLine at Craps.

At Roulette its one spin,,, win or lose.
At Craps, it CAN be that, but you may also get the suspense of further rolls.
At BJ, it CAN be win or lose, but you get the burden of making additional decisions and perhaps having some idiot at the table whose ignorance meant he took "your" card.
At Baccarat its one hand, but Banker is not available to you, so screw them!

So,,, make it the PassLine ... and good luck to you!

Oh yeah, I've gotten many of these in my day, but for a twist I figured I'd let the masses decide. This is nice because it is NOT a matchplay. It's a $100 free bet. If it wins, you with $200 win nothing put out whatsoever. If it loses, you get nothing, but lose nothing.

My choice: Baccarat, Banker.

Since that's not an option, I say Roulette Red. But look for a single zero wheel!


Yeah, craps has a lower edge, but if you're a craps player at all, and the shooter throws a point, you'll be killing yourself as the shooter hits a bunch of other numbers before your bet is resolved.

Go to Roulette and get it over in 30 seconds.

Now hte only question is, go to a Roulette table where the last few spins were red, meaning red is hot, or the last few were black meaning red is due. Either way, it's a stupid coin flip decision. Just blindly pick a table and throw the coupon down.

Quote: DJTeddyBear

My choice: Baccarat, Banker.

Since that's not an option, I say Roulette Red. But look for a single zero wheel!


Yeah, craps has a lower edge, but if you're a craps player at all, and the shooter throws a point, you'll be killing yourself as the shooter hits a bunch of other numbers before your bet is resolved.

Go to Roulette and get it over in 30 seconds.

Now hte only question is, go to a Roulette table where the last few spins were red, meaning red is hot, or the last few were black meaning red is due. Either way, it's a stupid coin flip decision. Just blindly pick a table and throw the coupon down.

Last tine I was there, I didn't see any single zero wheels. Maybe in the high limit area. I suppose they'd have to let me play it there for one spin, even on the coupon.

With Craps, I'd be hoping for Big Red on the Comeout, which I rarely ever hope for, since I'm a heavy Come Bet player.

Quote: cclub79

Last tine I was there, I didn't see any single zero wheels. Maybe in the high limit area. I suppose they'd have to let me play it there for one spin, even on the coupon.

With Craps, I'd be hoping for Big Red on the Comeout, which I rarely ever hope for, since I'm a heavy Come Bet player.

Looks like we're going with Craps...thanks to everyone that voted...I'll let you know how it turns out later tonight when I get to my destination.

First to vote for the BJ hand. Roulette and Baccarat are boring. Pass line is significantly more likely to lose than win. BJ is about 50/50 on a good table. My second choice would be don't pass.

Whatever game you enjoy playing the most. It's free money, so do what you want.
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Mathematically, Player in Bac. is the best bet. Then pass line, then roulette. The blackjack requires you to have an additional $100 for doubles and splits, and goes too fast, in my opinion.
So do Bac, Pass, or Roulette. I enjoy Bac but you should draw it out, put a lot of suspense on it. Go to the high-limit table if they have one.

Edit: Oops, too late! Pass is a good choice. Hope you got a natural winner!

this is taken from an article from james grosjean on coupons.
your free bet is essentially the same as a funny chip saved on ties.

http://www.beyondcounting.com/pdfs/beyondcouponsbjfo.pdf

Three Card Poker Play (FS on 532-K96; $$ on K97+) $73.15
Blackjack LS S17 DOA DAS RS4 noRSA BJ1:5 60.46
Blackjack LS S17 DOA DAS RS4 noRSA BJ1:0 $58.08
Three Card Poker Play (532) $54.58
Three Card Poker Ante 1/4/5 (K32) 53.68
Blackjack S17 DOA DAS RS4 noRSA BJ1:5 (optimal,BS) 52.26,52.03
Blackjack S17 DOA DAS RS4 noRSA BJ1:0 (optimal,BS) $49.78,49.55
Baccarat Player $49.32
Craps Don't Pass $49.30
Three Card Poker Ante 0/0/0 (K32) $48.40
Baccarat Banker 5% $48.15

Quote: cclub79

Can't play the Don't...the coupon is very specific.

Unless more details interfere, you could put the whole $100 on pass and simultaneously $150 on the Don't Pass. Put a couple of whites or a red on the 12 if you want that "protection." You'll come out either $50 ahead or $150 ahead, and you'll be up on the Don't. Even could lay odds.

Quote: SanchoPanza

Unless more details interfere, you could put the whole $100 on pass and simultaneously $150 on the Don't Pass. Put a couple of whites or a red on the 12 if you want that "protection." You'll come out either $50 ahead or $150 ahead, and you'll be up on the Don't. Even could lay odds.

$50 down or $150 ahead.

It's pretty funny (not haha) that I have a story to tell for one bet right? So I get to a table that's got a little room ($10), and I obviously have to wait for the current shooter as the point had already been established. He rolled probably about 10 times, hitting 6s and 8s and 9s but eventually Sevened out before making his 5. While waiting, I looked at the back of the coupon again, and saw that it said that a win would result in the value of the coupon, PLUS (my emphasis added) something like "the winning wager". I wish I had the coupon to read it again (and if anyone has a FREE BET (Not Match play) coupon from Mohegan Sun, your help would be appreciated. So I put the coupon on the Pass (I had previously showed it to the Boxman to avoid slowing down the game) and the shooter throws an Eight. After a couple more numbers, I think I should lay the 8, but the Wizard says don't hedge and I didn't want to have to type here that I hedged. Next roll....EIGHT! So the dealer takes the coupon when it comes time to pay me, and cuts me 20 Reds, and slides them over. the Box quickly takes the Coupon and drops it, before I can say "Wait...shouldn't that be $200?" Box: "No, that's not how it works, you don't get to play the coupon again...it's one free bet." Me: "But I read the back and it said that I'd be paid the value of the coupon PLUS the winning wager...I know there was a PLUS on there..." "Sorry....no". "Can I talk to the supervisor?" "Hang on..." Box calls for him several times, no response. He finally comes over. "He has a question about the coupon." "Did he win?" "Yeah" "So he gets 100..who was it." Box points at me, and says "But he says it said something about PLUS on the back" "He won...what's the problem?...You need to explain how the coupon works better." I try to say "I understand, but I wish he hadn't dropped the coupon, I just wanted to show you what I read. I understand how match play works but this seemed different..." Here's where I decided I'm going to be sending my first complaint to a casino ever and unless they do something to fix the situation, I will never return to Mohegan Sun. Supervisor, to Box (still has made NO eye contact with me) "You need to tell him how it works...that's not how it works." Then he scurried away. I have never had such an unsatisfactory response to a query at a casino in my many years of playing. I felt so insignificant and ignored. My time was extremely short, and I didn't want to fight a losing battle. I will voice my concern in print in the next couple of days. I have the boss's name and the table and pit number, and the exact time of the occurrence. I have gambled enough in AC at Harrah's properties to maintain Diamond status for as long as they've had Diamond (which is not easy playing tables almost exclusively), and my new work situation has caused me to be a lot more able to play at Mohegan or Foxwoods. I have ONLY gone to Mohegan (for some personal reasons), probably about 5x in the last 2 months. I know they have no history of my Harrah's status, but I don't believe this boss even cared to see anything about my status. I took the chips and said that perhaps I'd find better service and Foxwoods, and left.

I am completely fine with having read the coupon wrong. I realize they give deal with dozens of them every day, and the better bet is that I was wrong. All I wanted was an explanation as to what that PLUS was for on the back, if I would only be paid the winning wager. Could have taken them 30 seconds to show and explain it to me. Instead it probably cost them a fairly loyal and regular player.

Sorry, my chapter of a book posted twice...

well it is kind of funny how we wind up griping about things when it comes to gambling. Nonetheless I understand. It's supposed to be one of the drawbacks with Indian Casinos, that they are a little arbitrary and furthermore in these matters I hear you get very short shrift. There isnt the Connecticutt equivalent of the Nevada Gaming Control Board for them to have to deal with, I believe. The Tribe just sets its own standards to suit itself. Others here will know more about it.

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Quote: cclub79

All I wanted was an explanation as to what that PLUS was for on the back, if I would only be paid the winning wager. Could have taken them 30 seconds to show and explain it to me. Instead it probably cost them a fairly loyal and regular player.

When will those casinos learn???
A few moments of courtesy to at least look you directly in the eye and give you an explanation in ten words or less.
Frankly I hope you forgive them, because Foxwoods is, I've heard, consistently worse.

I was afraid this was going to be the result. Those darned "free coupons" create more ill-will than they are worth. One poor guy at a BJ table didn't realize his Fifty Dollar in Match Play meant he had to bet Fifty of his own money on one roll. He was at a ten dollar table for a reason. He felt humiliated. What did the casino gain?

If you recall I had posted:
>Make sure you read AND understand the coupon, ...
I thought this might happen. And the worst thing is that you may indeed have been correct and the suits may have been wrong! Some of those dealers have never seen the coupons before. Some of those dealers have seen so many of last months coupons, that if you show them this months coupon, it just doesn't register with them that its a different deal.

Anyway, you did get a stack of reds. And you didn't throw them at the jackass supervisor... so congratulations!

Quote: rudeboyoi

$50 down or $150 ahead.

You're absolutely right. I was rushing and confusing another play. Make it $75 on the don't pass instead. That reaps a win of $25 or $75, excluding the 12 of course.

Quote: cclub79

So the dealer takes the coupon when it comes time to pay me, and cuts me 20 Reds, and slides them over. the Box quickly takes the Coupon and drops it, before I can say "Wait...shouldn't that be $200?"

This is inconsistant with standard procedures.

When you buy in to a table, the box counts and spreads the bills, your chips are slid over, and the cash remains on the table for several more seconds, giving you the chance to double check.

That coupon should never have left the felt until you took the chips.

Had you taken the chips yet? If not, you have a very real reason to complain.

Maybe the problem is not the unusual wording. Maybe you thought that it was a $200 free play coupon. What would have happened if, instead of complaing about the wording, you merely said "Isn't that a $200 coupon?" They would have had to call security to open the drop box.



Bottom line: I think you should think about it, and realize that it was a $100 coupon, and let the bad wording go. But definately complain that the coupon was dropped before you took your chips, preventing you from making claims about ANY type of error.

Quote: cclub79

I know they have no history of my Harrah's status

Have you ever shown someone at the promotions booth your Diamond card?

Most casinos will give new players higher initial rankings based upon the tier level at another casino.

Man, this is really bothering me.

I'd REALLY like to know what it said, front and back.

I have to believe that the $100 pay was correct, but that "PLUS" thing has me thinking.

Any chance it meant that the coupon is "use it until you lose it"? I.E. That is stays in play?

I'm afraid I don't see the problem. Every time I've used a free bet coupon, I've just gotten paid on the value of the coupon. E.g., a $25 coupon pays me $25. They don't replace the value of the coupon. I would just take the pit's word, 'cause I think you're fighting the wrong fight on this one.

its a freebet. youre not risking anything. if you bet $100 normally, do you get paid $200? no, you get paid $100 and get your original wager back. your original wager was $0. why would you expect to get $200 back?

Quote: rudeboyoi

your original wager was $0.

NO. If his original wager was zero then the proper payoff at 1:1 payout is zero.
The reason the payout is $100.00 is that the value of his original wager is declared to be 100.00. Its just not HIS one hundred dollars, but its still the value of his bet.
Now ofcourse this is the problem with those coupons.
You make a phantom bet of 100.00 ... but all they will pay out if you win is One Hundred Dollars.
And if the casino used larger coupons they could make the text larger and more clear.

to make a bet, you have to make a wager. the coupon waives the requirement of making the wager. he still has a bet but his wager was zero so he gets returned zero on his wager while being paid on his bet.

Quote: DJTeddyBear

This is inconsistant with standard procedures.

When you buy in to a table, the box counts and spreads the bills, your chips are slid over, and the cash remains on the table for several more seconds, giving you the chance to double check.

That coupon should never have left the felt until you took the chips.

Had you taken the chips yet? If not, you have a very real reason to complain.

Maybe the problem is not the unusual wording. Maybe you thought that it was a $200 free play coupon. What would have happened if, instead of complaing about the wording, you merely said "Isn't that a $200 coupon?" They would have had to call security to open the drop box.



Bottom line: I think you should think about it, and realize that it was a $100 coupon, and let the bad wording go. But definately complain that the coupon was dropped before you took your chips, preventing you from making claims about ANY type of error.





Have you ever shown someone at the promotions booth your Diamond card?

Most casinos will give new players higher initial rankings based upon the tier level at another casino.

First, I did show my Diamond my first time there, they didn't care.

I would also have expected just 100 on the win, but the wording on the back certainly made me think otherwise. I remember reading it several times. But as I said, I am completely fine with being incorrect. I understand they have many coupons and they are used to the correct procedure. My complaint has approximately 0% to do with the wording on the coupon. It has to do with the way I was treated. If I wanted to take it any further, I would have literally had to bring the table to a halt and make a scene, whereas a decent supervisor would have pulled me aside, shown me the rule, or at least explained it. As we said many many times, it's just good customer service. In my business, we like complaints. They give us an opportunity to create a positive relationship with a customer where most likely a neutral one existed prior to the problem. Make the person walk away even MORE glad they came to your place. Instead I got the equivalent of "Tough shit...go away." So I went away. And probably won't go back. The ironic thing is I probably wouldn't have even tried to press as far as I did if not for this website.

You're overreacting. They probably give out hundreds if not thousands of those coupons in various denominations. If someone complains that they should have been paid twice as much (yeah, I know you honestly thought that, but they were probably thinking, "who is this guy who thinks he should get twice his money?"), I am not suprised they were curt with you. If their customer service was indeed atrocious, then you have a reason for not returning. But if they give you another $100 free bet coupon, are you really saying you won't be back?

Edit: I can't tell you how you feel. If you really felt mistreated, of course you have the right not to go back there. There are other places to gamble (Foxwoods?) and no shortage of things to do. If you feel like this merits cutting them off completely, by all means do so. It's just my opinion based on what's written on the thread.

Quote: teddys

"who is this guy who thinks he should get twice his money?")

A customer. Perhaps confused, in no way visibly angry or rude. Just a typical player.

It would have taken less than 60 seconds to show me a coupon and explain it to me. If they honestly can't spare that on a Sunday evening, then I don't really want to play there. To me, overreacting would have been to continue to complain and spend another ten minutes there. I reacted to their curtness by leaving, and telling the story here because it involved the bet I was placing based on this board. I think that's a reasonable reaction.

Quote: cclub79

I am completely fine with being incorrect. I understand they have many coupons and they are used to the correct procedure.

Quote: teddys

They probably give out hundreds if not thousands of those coupons in various denominations.

And that's part of my problem. Suppose cclub79's complaint was not that it had confusing wording, but that he thought the denomination was $200?

The casino did NOT use correct procedure in paying out.

The correct procedure is that the coupon should have stayed on the table until after the chips were picked up.

Just to chime in:

I believe that you were treated horribly and anyone who cares about their job or establishment would have done more than brush you off like that. Honestly, I think you were wrong about the coupon but that really doesn't matter. It isn't until the customer (you) begins to show absolutely zero sense of logic that the customer should be shown the door, as a manner of speaking, as you were.

As a big proponent of using my right as a customer to never return, it would be good for you to spread this to people that you know so that they don't go back as well. I can be a little too personally hurt by things though: I was at a pho restaurant alone and wanted to sit in a booth - the server (think, traditional FOB asian) said something like "you alone, no booth sit in middle" without even looking at me. I have never returned. That was two years ago and anytime I want pho I've had to walk an extra block.