Is the table max for a single bet or all bets?
Quote: MichaelBluejayFor the games craps, roulette, and baccarat, is the Table Max the limit for a single bet or for the sum of all bets? Let's exclude the Odds bet in craps to keep it simple. So for all bets with a house edge, if the Table Max is $2000, can I put $2000 on each of multiple bets in the same game, or do I have a total of $2000 to distribute among various bets?
It's usually for a single bet, although some places might limit your total action as well.
In roulette, I often see maxes posted for "any way to a number". But then I don't actually play roulette so I don't know how common this is.
I'm not sure if they'd allow it in baccarat. I guess it would still limit their total action to number of spots * max bet, so why would they care if you are betting both spots, or if you bring a friend to bet another spot for you?
I think that, in a lot of casinos (especially bigger ones that can afford the action) they will let you exceed the max if you ask (it may require prior approval). I know that I've seen people doing it before. Once, I was playing some carnie poker game (can't remember which one; this was years ago). The max was probably $300 or something. Anyway, all of a sudden, they show up with a fill of high-denom chips (I think that the total was $500k), and, about 10-15 minutes later, some high roller shows up with his entourage and starts betting thousands per hand. So, if the max is not high enough for you, just ask for an increase!
Roulette - per bet on outside or inside bets. Might say "$5000 max outside, $50 max inside".
Craps is tricky. All bets have their own maximum. Just because you can bet $5,000 on the pass line, doesn't mean you'll be able to bet a $5,000 yo. Ask 'em for the list.
Quote: IbeatyouracesDepends on the casino. I've seen players on blackjack tables with the double spots that play both hands limited to both added together being no more than table max.
So playing two hands, they must total no more than table max? Does that mean each bet can be half the table min as well?
Quote: arcticfunYes, some casinos' "max bet" in BJ is the sum of all hands, but that is less common. Either way, table min is definitely table min *per hand*.
I guess I've seen that before, and I'm against it. It cuts both ways. If table max is aggregate, table min should be aggregate as well. That said, I think all maximums should be per wager (except in obvious exceptions like Roulette).
Quote: DeucekiesI guess I've seen that before, and I'm against it. It cuts both ways. If table max is aggregate, table min should be aggregate as well. That said, I think all maximums should be per wager (except in obvious exceptions like Roulette).
I've never seen a "max bet" as across the board. It's always interpreted as per bet. Thinking this way, a person can play six hands at $10K in our high limit room, draw all of them out to max splits and doubles, and have nearly a half-mil on the table at once. Are we going to have the shift manager on top of this situation? Damn straight. But there's no reason it wouldn't be allowed.
There is one exception - any game where a person can only play a set number of spots. Baccarat comes to mind. Some big players may pass money to their friends to circumvent table max - the house doesn't like that.
I just happen to have a roulette system for you. A former student of Bob's shared with me.Quote: AxiomOfChoiceBut then I don't actually play roulette so I don't know how common this is.
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Quote: onenickelmiracleThe rules are not universal. Sometimes roulette doesn't even post the maximum inside bet and you have to ask to know.
This happens in other games too. I've seen games (baccarat) in the high limit room with posted minimums, but no posted maximums.
Ah... one thing to always remember about the rules.... is Whatever the Boxman says is the rule, is the rule.Quote: MichaelBluejayFor the games craps, roulette, and baccarat, is the Table Max the limit for a single bet or for the sum of all bets? Let's exclude the Odds bet in craps to keep it simple. So for all bets with a house edge, if the Table Max is $2000, can I put $2000 on each of multiple bets in the same game, or do I have a total of $2000 to distribute among various bets?
The correct answer is that it is NOT a personal bet limit but a limitation attached to the bet itself.
So if you are at a 5 to 5,000 table.
You can buy the 9 for whatever you want up to 5,000
You can also place the 9 for whatever you want up to 5,000
You can have a field bet at the same time.
The limit pertains to the bet, not the bettor.
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13I'm sure it's different everywhere. Every State has it's own rules and definitions. In Arizona it's all bets combined. So if you are playing Blackjack with a Bust Bonus side bet and the maximum bet is $250 and you have $10 on the Bust Bonus you are only allowed to play $240 on the main bet.
Does this hold true for the minimum as well? On a $5 table, are you allowed to play $1 on the hand if you're playing $4 on the Bust Bonus?
Quote: DeucekiesDoes this hold true for the minimum as well? On a $5 table, are you allowed to play $1 on the hand if you're playing $4 on the Bust Bonus?
That would be up to the Casino and could even vary from game to game. At my Casino we require the table minimum on the main blackjack bet. But on Three Card Poker you can play the table minimum on either the main bet, the pair plus or the 6 card bonus.
ZCore13
Quote: FleaStiffAh... one thing to always remember about the rules.... is Whatever the Boxman says is the rule, is the rule.
The correct answer is that it is NOT a personal bet limit but a limitation attached to the bet itself.
So if you are at a 5 to 5,000 table.
You can buy the 9 for whatever you want up to 5,000
You can also place the 9 for whatever you want up to 5,000
You can have a field bet at the same time.
I believe that is the case (multiple bets on same number), but I know of some places that don't allow this type of bet. For example, you wouldn't be able to hop a hard way for table max and have table max on all-day hard way. Or, you wouldn't be able to have a $10k lay on your don't pass against the ten, then have a $10k over-lay (pay 5% vig).
The limit pertains to the bet, not the bettor.
Quote: DeucekiesSo playing two hands, they must total no more than table max? Does that mean each bet can be half the table min as well?
In most casinos, no. They still must be the minimum.
In some casinos, HELL NO! Each bet must be at least DOUBLE the minimum!
Quote: DeucekiesDoes this hold true for the minimum as well? On a $5 table, are you allowed to play $1 on the hand if you're playing $4 on the Bust Bonus?
Foxwoods did something like that and may still. I haven't checked recently. If you were at a $10 minimum blackjack table you could play $5 on the side bet and $5 on the blackjack hand to satisfy the $10 minimum. I doubt that they would accept anything other than $5 increments. Too messy.
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In some casinos, HELL NO! Each bet must be at least DOUBLE the minimum!
That's usual, but those casinos will usually allow table max on both hands.
That doesn't actually limit the max bet, but it means that there's a certain max bet that it doesn't make sense exceeding.
All of them that I've seen are table based, individual based are terrible too.
Quote: ahiromuMax aggregate payouts are horse shit. It needs to be said, it's basically saying we're going to give you certain odds then reneg if we don't like the outcome. They are misleading and should not be allowed.
All of them that I've seen are table based, individual based are terrible too.
I wouldn't have a problem with individually-based, provided the casino was made to clearly post something saying the most someone could bet and still be playing the full paytable.
The one time I saw the Royal at LIR, it was worth 40K, and the player received full value, but the posted aggregate was 50K, so they stayed under the cap.
So does that mean the dealer has to calculate the payout for each number, and if any payout is to exceed the table aggregate payout, none of the bets count? Mind you, roulette is a complex game (payout wise) and isn't as simple as "it pays 30x the bet". But it pays "35x bet #1, 17x bet #2, 8x bet #3....." since you can bet a thousand different ways on any given number.
Quote: RSWhat I've never quite understood is sometimes on roulette it'll say "total aggregate payout inside is $XXXX".
So does that mean the dealer has to calculate the payout for each number, and if any payout is to exceed the table aggregate payout, none of the bets count? Mind you, roulette is a complex game (payout wise) and isn't as simple as "it pays 30x the bet". But it pays "35x bet #1, 17x bet #2, 8x bet #3....." since you can bet a thousand different ways on any given number.
Aggregate- (formed or calculated by the combination of many separate units)
By definition the use of the word aggregate by casinos would allow them to screw you
on roulette. Do they, would they? l don't know.
