Deucekies
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April 13th, 2014 at 5:13:38 PM permalink
Random musing for today.

I've seen pictures of plaques that are used for higher denominations in high roller rooms, particularly for Baccarat. How are those stored? I haven't seen any chip tray that's designed to hold plaques. What do they look like? Are there any pictures floating around out there?

On a similar note, some high-denomination chips are oversized. Do they still fit in a regular chip tray, or does a custom chip tray have to be made for those?
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April 13th, 2014 at 5:23:56 PM permalink
Also dubbed "flags", they are large, heavy and designed not to "stray" despite occasional waitresses with chewing gum on the bottom of their tray or something. They are like large heavy Hershey bars, everyone keeps their eyes on them. They don't float around the place as if they were chips or cheques, they get "transferred" on little hand carried wooden miniature book racks.

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April 13th, 2014 at 5:24:52 PM permalink
I know at the Borgata they have some bigger chip racks for orange chips. I've sadly never held above an orange chip so maybe those too lol
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April 15th, 2014 at 4:22:52 PM permalink
At our local casino, where £100 chips were rare (they're common now), I recall a large roller coming in and they had £1000 plaques. At one time the £100 round chips were larger, but now they're the same size.

On the continent I once saw a neat idea, there was another tray hidden underneath the normal dealer's tray - it contained more chips and I think some larger denomination plaques. I don't play French Roulette much, but they usually have round jetons and you sometimes see a few plaques for larger values.
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April 15th, 2014 at 4:26:41 PM permalink
Quote: charliepatrick

At our local casino, where £100 chips were rare (they're common now), I recall a large roller coming in and they had £1000 plaques. At one time the £100 round chips were larger, but now they're the same size.

On the continent I once saw a neat idea, there was another tray hidden underneath the normal dealer's tray - it contained more chips and I think some larger denomination plaques. I don't play French Roulette much, but they usually have round jetons and you sometimes see a few plaques for larger values.



At a lot of casinos they use bigger chips in the high limit baccarat rooms. They aren't necessarily higher denomination. Eg, at MGM, they use large black chips in the baccarat room and normal-sized black chips on the floor.
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April 17th, 2014 at 7:27:48 PM permalink
Quote: Deucekies

Random musing for today.

I've seen pictures of plaques that are used for higher denominations in high roller rooms, particularly for Baccarat. How are those stored? I haven't seen any chip tray that's designed to hold plaques. What do they look like? Are there any pictures floating around out there?

On a similar note, some high-denomination chips are oversized. Do they still fit in a regular chip tray, or does a custom chip tray have to be made for those?

Biscuits they are sometimes called, usually the trays have a flat porition in the VIP rooms between the rebate and normal chips and were they can lay them flat.

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April 17th, 2014 at 11:21:05 PM permalink
I've seen chip racks and dealer trays with larger diameter curves to hold the larger round chips.
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April 18th, 2014 at 6:34:08 AM permalink
Quote: Lemieux66

I know at the Borgata they have some bigger chip racks for orange chips. I've sadly never held above an orange chip so maybe those too lol



The orange $1000 chips at Foxwoods were called "Pumpkins". I've had a few once upon a time. Never had a turtle $5K :(
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April 18th, 2014 at 6:59:29 AM permalink
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Never had a turtle $5K :(


OK, I have to ask. I've heard of Pumpkins, Lemons, Chocolates, and maybe a few other nicknames, but what the heck kind of chip is a "turtle"?
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April 18th, 2014 at 7:59:00 AM permalink
Perhaps referring to the $3 Mohegan Sun chip which has a turtle on one side. I believe the turtle represents Father Time in the tribe's tradition. Out of circulation AFAIK.
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April 18th, 2014 at 8:17:52 AM permalink
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Perhaps referring to the $3 Mohegan Sun chip which has a turtle on one side. I believe the turtle represents Father Time in the tribe's tradition. Out of circulation AFAIK.



The turtle represents the Earth, as the Earth was created on the back of a great turtle. Most all of the tribes of the northeast share this belief.

I suppose since the turtle is "the biggest" in lore, it is also the biggest in denomination.

The lore I'm sure of. The cheque is just a guess.
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April 18th, 2014 at 8:26:04 AM permalink
Thanks, Face, for expanding/correcting the meaning of the turtle in Mohegan and other tribes' histories. Most people have no idea what the significance is of the turtle and wolf in the big mural at the entrance to the Earth casino.
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April 18th, 2014 at 8:42:54 AM permalink
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Thanks, Face, for expanding/correcting the meaning of the turtle in Mohegan and other tribes' histories. Most people have no idea what the significance is of the turtle and wolf in the big mural at the entrance to the Earth casino.



No problem. It's one of the few topics I can speak of here with authority ;)

The wolf is also a common figure, usually representing strength, courage, and success of the hunt. Many tribes believe it to be a close relative of man, or the source of man, or the creator of man, and some even claim transitions between the two (shape shifting, skin walking).

"Mohegan" is the english representation of the word "mohiingan", which itself means "wolf". The Mohegan are the "People of the Wolf".
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April 18th, 2014 at 8:56:21 AM permalink
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No problem. It's one of the few topics I can speak of here with authority ;)

Off topic, but perhaps you can provide some insight into another tribal history point. The story of the woven basket is presented along the Winter entrance walkway. Any thoughts on whether or not the cider mentioned was hard cider? I have asked several employees who are designated tribal, but none had any idea.
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April 18th, 2014 at 11:22:42 AM permalink
Quote: BleedingChipsSlowly

Off topic, but perhaps you can provide some insight into another tribal history point. The story of the woven basket is presented along the Winter entrance walkway. Any thoughts on whether or not the cider mentioned was hard cider? I have asked several employees who are designated tribal, but none had any idea.



The Mohegan are not my tribe, so we're beginning to stray a bit out of my area of expertise. The only story I know about them that involves baskets are those which were filled with offerings to "The Little People", mythological characters of the woods who were either mischievous or helpful, depending on whether you gave them offerings or not.

I can say, and keep in mind that all Native history is word of mouth with no written records, that alcohol as we know it did not exist in northeast America. There were no breweries or distilleries, no grog or mash whiskey. Alcohol as we know it was an introduction by European settlers.

However, looking at it from a purely scientific standpoint, some of it had to be hard. Leave an apple to fall from the tree, let it rot, and then eat a dozen of them. See if you can walk back to your car in a straight line lol. I've seen videos of bears hammered so bad they couldn't stand, just from eating apples off the ground. Their cider would have turned hard on its own without any input. And with no purification or refrigeration available back then, it's a guarantee.

Whether it was made hard by design, though, is unknowable.
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April 18th, 2014 at 12:49:01 PM permalink
Globes are often presented on a stand featuring a turtle as a base. Its a belief in the Orient too. Ancient astronomers probably noted minor deviations and attributed it to a turtle. Also its more acceptable to theorize the existence of a giant turtle than to accept that the planet is there without any support.
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April 18th, 2014 at 1:07:57 PM permalink
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However, looking at it from a purely scientific standpoint, some of [the cider] had to be hard.

Yes, one need do nothing to raw cider for it to harden over time. The story is that one winter a man asked his neighbor for some cider. The neighbor gave him a woven basket and said he could have all the basket would hold. The man dipped the basket in a stream repeatedly until it was coated with ice, then filled the basked with cider. Asking for cider rather that food in winter? Hmmm... I was just wondering whether or not the story had been "sanitized."
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April 19th, 2014 at 3:23:48 AM permalink
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"The Little People", mythological characters of the woods who were either mischievous or helpful, depending on whether you gave them offerings or not.

Ah, the Mohegans are descendants of the Irish... ;-)
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