AP'ing the Big 6 Wheel
ZCore13
Quote: bigfoot66The only method I can think of is that some dealers might spin the wheel with a relatively consistent force so that you could predict which half of the wheel might be more likely to contain the winner and bet on the joker of that side with a significant edge.
That's pretty much it.
The point is not "here's how you can make money playing Big 6". The point is, keep your eyes open and look for opportunities.
Remember the Big Six Wheel is the traditional Carney come on at the entrance to the casino, has quite an edge to it but is so boring that it can be a punishment tour for a lazy dealer so the "keep your eyes open" is good advice. Its not that you can clock the wheel but if you can clock one of the two special figures successfully then you will do well.Quote: AxiomOfChoiceThat's pretty much it.
The point is not "here's how you can make money playing Big 6". The point is, keep your eyes open and look for opportunities.
In order to determine if it's worth writing, simply stand to the side of it, rather than in front of it. Watch to see if it's wobbling, meaning moving left and right when viewed from the side. Next look to see if the same amount of the felt stopper is in contact with each pin when the wheel is spinning. Also carefully examine each pin, looking for bent ones. If the wheel shows some variance, then write a few thousand trials to see how the distribution looks and to measure the chi.
-Keyser
Quote: KeyserBeating the Big Six is about tracking it for bias.
But I assume it would be difficult to avoid drawing heat from the casino. What are the typical maximums on a Big Six wheel? I've never noticed.
Personally, I'd think that you'll stick out like a sore thumb playing anything but whites and maybe the occasional red at this game.
Quote: RorryAwesome, now we're openly talking about The Book eh?
Quote: RorryAwesome, now we're openly talking about The Book eh?
I wouldn't worry about it, anyone who matters in a casino has already read it. I picked up my copy for $500 or $600 on Amazon -- not exactly a high bar for a casino looking to protect real money.
Secondly another problem that could be identified is the "clapper" at the top of the wheel being set too tight or too loose. This is obviously a manitenance issue but if maintenance is not alereted they will do nothing about it.
You can also cheat the game (which I don't advocate as you will be caught and either 86'ed or arrested). You can past post relatively effectively if the dealers don't have a mirror to look at the winning number or if it sin't done electronically.
This game is just about dead in the US but it is still around in a pretty big way in Asia.
PB: "There's an active thread about beating Big Six. Reminds me; let's take a close look at our dealers and make sure we aren't vulnerable."
Me: :(
Quote: s2dbakerI've discovered a way to influence the outcome of the Big 6 wheel through my Wheel Setting™ technique. The book and seminar are just $475.
I'll do it for $470 don't listen to s2dbaker I am the real deal I was on the lost episode for breaking vegas
Quote: mcallister3200This is not an obscure advantage play. It is easier to pick off someone doing this than to pick off someone counting.
Surveillance still wastes time on either????
I need to get back to Vegas and sort them out :)
Quote: gpac1377But I assume it would be difficult to avoid drawing heat from the casino. What are the typical maximums on a Big Six wheel? I've never noticed.
The spread at The D, as I recall, is $1-$50, if I saw the wheel anywhere else in Vegas, I must not have paid attention. The Meadows either has or had one, funny thing about theirs is that it is in the midst of the other Table Games, I forget the limits, though.
But here's some of the issues. Not all casinos here in Vegas have the wheel. Most of the local type places don't. Many casinos on the strip do, but the wheel only operates during busier times, evenings and weekends.
Second issue, it's hard to get any kind of money down. Most players playing the wheel are betting 1-5 dollars. Occasionally you with see a green chip on the even money or 2-1 payoff. Try betting green or black on the longshot payoff and you are drawing immediate attention. You might as well be standing there naked, for as much as you stand out. And yes, there is heat and the same counter measures as counting cards. You will be backed off and barred. The first half of 2012, I had more back offs from the wheel, which I was only playing sparingly than from my blackjack play. This was a major negative for a player who's major focus is longevity and goes to great lengths to keep his play off the radar. All that effort down the drain because I am doing something that stands out on a supplemental game.
Third. If you can get any play in, it's a very, very boring way to make a little money. It's bad enough if you are playing heads up, but if there are other players spreading their $1 and $5 chips around as there often are during the crowded times....forget about it. You get a spin every 2 minutes. Almost as slow as a crowded roulette table. Not quite but you get the picture.
Fourth, the manual wheel is disappearing. The electronic wheel from Aruze, is popping up all over, replacing the manual wheel. I think the wheel, will actually be the first of the manual type games that is completely replaced by electronic version.
In the second half of 2012, I ceased playing the wheel. Just too may negatives. There are easier ways to make a few bucks, with less grief.
What kind of edge do you think you were getting over all?Quote: kewljIn 2012, I added playing 'the wheel' to my attack. The variance gods were with me and I jumped out fast, the first couple of months way above expectation. Then things cooled off some and my win rate plummeted. I ended up winning low 5 figures, which supplemented my BJ income.
But here's some of the issues. Not all casinos here in Vegas have the wheel. Most of the local type places don't. Many casinos on the strip do, but the wheel only operates during busier times, evenings and weekends.
Second issue, it's hard to get any kind of money down. Most players playing the wheel are betting 1-5 dollars. Occasionally you with see a green chip on the even money or 2-1 payoff. Try betting green or black on the longshot payoff and you are drawing immediate attention. You might as well be standing there naked, for as much as you stand out. And yes, there is heat and the same counter measures as counting cards. You will be backed off and barred. The first half of 2012, I had more back offs from the wheel, which I was only playing sparingly than from my blackjack play. This was a major negative for a player who's major focus is longevity and goes to great lengths to keep his play off the radar. All that effort down the drain because I am doing something that stands out on a supplemental game.
Third. If you can get any play in, it's a very, very boring way to make a little money. It's bad enough if you are playing heads up, but if there are other players spreading their $1 and $5 chips around as there often are during the crowded times....forget about it. You get a spin every 2 minutes. Almost as slow as a crowded roulette table. Not quite but you get the picture.
Fourth, the manual wheel is disappearing. The electronic wheel from Aruze, is popping up all over, replacing the manual wheel. I think the wheel, will actually be the first of the manual type games that is completely replaced by electronic version.
In the second half of 2012, I ceased playing the wheel. Just too may negatives. There are easier ways to make a few bucks, with less grief.
Quote: AxelWolfWhat kind of edge do you think you were getting over all?
I really don't want to get into that. I just wanted to make the point that, the mathematical opportunity is there on paper, but when you attempt to apply the technique in real life, there are some road blocks which will severely limit this opportunity.
