April 17th, 2010 at 4:15:49 PM
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There is a sign posted on the $1 craps table at The Nugget in Carson City, Nevada. The sign informs craps shooters that "lobbing" and "setting" dice is prohibited. I've played craps all over Nevada and I've never seen this before. Is this sign unique?
I've tried to put myself in management's shoes: if I owned this casino, would I want my customers dice-setting? Successfully influencing the outcome of dice shooting might not be totally impossible... but it's certainly very rare. The funny thing about the Nugget is that the table minimum is only $1, so I'd think that a fancy Vegas table with $25 minimums (Bellagio, Venetian) would be more appealing to a dice entrepreneur than a dump like the Carson Nugget. Unless management is worried that new inexperienced dice-setters might take advantage of the low $1 limit as a table to practice on. But wouldn't management WANT new, inexperienced dice-setters to practice on their table?
I've tried to put myself in management's shoes: if I owned this casino, would I want my customers dice-setting? Successfully influencing the outcome of dice shooting might not be totally impossible... but it's certainly very rare. The funny thing about the Nugget is that the table minimum is only $1, so I'd think that a fancy Vegas table with $25 minimums (Bellagio, Venetian) would be more appealing to a dice entrepreneur than a dump like the Carson Nugget. Unless management is worried that new inexperienced dice-setters might take advantage of the low $1 limit as a table to practice on. But wouldn't management WANT new, inexperienced dice-setters to practice on their table?
April 17th, 2010 at 4:55:44 PM
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I have noted before that I set the dice each throw, just for my own amusement. I am convinced it has no effect for me, and I am not a believer at all that it works for anyway. From this viewpoint, I think that casinos would want ALL dice setting believers to come to their tables. Sort of like wanting amateur card counters to come to tables that have continuous shufflers working on every hand.
As for this sign at The Nugget, I could only speculate on two points. First, setting might be prohibited because some people take so long that it slows down the game. The casino needs as many throws as possible to make any money at a $1 game. Second, lobbing might be prohibited because it is sometimes part of some scam, trying to distract the dealers' watch while something improper is done. Other than that, it sounds more like a "No spitting on the floor" sign.
As for this sign at The Nugget, I could only speculate on two points. First, setting might be prohibited because some people take so long that it slows down the game. The casino needs as many throws as possible to make any money at a $1 game. Second, lobbing might be prohibited because it is sometimes part of some scam, trying to distract the dealers' watch while something improper is done. Other than that, it sounds more like a "No spitting on the floor" sign.
April 17th, 2010 at 5:13:23 PM
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I think its probably to deter those who take forever to set the dice. If they want to believe in it thats fine and they can probably set them as long as it takes only a moment.
April 17th, 2010 at 10:43:00 PM
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I agree that it is more likely the time that it takes rather than any concern about successful dice setting. Usually if a table has a $1 minimum they expect you take max odds and play the come/don't come bet every time. They also try to keep the game moving at a much brisker pace.
It can be kind of fun, since you get all the action while not playing much more money than a normal table. It is a rare phenomena in Vegas mostly limited to 3AM play.
It can be kind of fun, since you get all the action while not playing much more money than a normal table. It is a rare phenomena in Vegas mostly limited to 3AM play.
April 18th, 2010 at 6:51:24 AM
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Management does not like dice setters -- setters take too long, annoy other players, and generally ruin the ambiance. Often setters have tag along players who occupy positions around the table so as to pass the dice back to the setter as quickly as possible. All this, and no proven or apparent edge.
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