EZ Baccarat Dragon 7/Panda 8 card counting strategy

The EZ Baccarat Dragon 7 side bet can be beaten with a true JSTAT Count (2-9=+1 and 10-K=-2) of +4 with less 8′s or 9′s left than normal. Also, when two or more 8′s or 9′s per deck than average (an 8 or 9 averages every 6.5 cards) are depleted with an even JSTAT Count, gives us the Dragon 7 advantage. You can confirm these numbers on this Wizard of Odds link https://wizardofodds.com/games/baccarat/dragon-bet/. Card counting the EZ Baccarat Panda 8 side bet can also be beaten with a JSTAT true count (the true count is the running count divided by the number of decks that haven’t yet been dealt) of -10.

A Dragon 7 side bet win is paid 40 -1. A three card winning banker seven gets the dough. The Panda 8 side bet pays 25 -1 with a player three card winning eight. Expect a large swing of variance, so bring your patience and the bankroll to weather the storms.

The beauty of the JSTAT Count is that it can be used at blackjack card counting. At the Lucky Ladies side bet, it dominates. It also can beat the Dragon Bonus side bet at baccarat or mini baccarat. Good Luck to all!!!

Now have you tried this with actual money before you wrote this out or is this from your paper testing?

Whether it's blackjack or baccarat, I've always confirmed my card counting methods on paper before hitting the tables.

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Whether it's blackjack or baccarat, I've always confirmed my card counting methods on paper before hitting the tables.

have you hit the tables with it yet?? Results?

Card counting and game of baccarat, how come I never thought about it before?

Can somebody please explain how card counting / tracking works for ANY Baccarat side bet?? I fully understand counting with BJ, game is rich in 10's and ACES or otherwise then you are more likely. With Baccarat there are so many other variables, such as accompanying cards. Take the Dragon side bet as an example. Not much point tracking the 9's and 8's as the Dragon bonus is not paid for a natural score, the 30-1 pay-off has to be for a 3 card combination while the other side needs to hit zero, so what are you counting??

Ditto for the Banker on 3 and Player pulls a 3rd card 8 for a 200-1 pay-off. So you might know the deck has many 8's and 3's at the end of the shoe, so what, the Banker has to total 3 (picture and 3, or any of numerous card combinations to total three), then the Player needs a total less than 6 then pull the 8.

Not only do need to have good insight to what is left (easily achieved), but need to be extremely lucky which card falls to which side and in what order. World of difference from BJ. I'm sure the same applies to the other side bets that people mention are countable (Panda). So what am I missing here, because when I read that these Baccarat side-bets are countable. Just as much as I would love to be able to predict a pair and get a 11-1 payoff, I just am not seeing it.

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Can somebody please explain how card counting / tracking works for ANY Baccarat side bet??

How to count the Panda 8.

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Can somebody please explain how card counting / tracking works for ANY Baccarat side bet??

Here is my general explanation for any side bet. Card Counting Analysis, 101.

For the Dragon, it benefits the player as 8's and 9's leave the shoe because there will be fewer naturals leading to more hands that use 3 cards.

Thanks for the links.

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For the Dragon, it benefits the player as 8's and 9's leave the shoe because there will be fewer naturals leading to more hands that use 3 cards.

I shall bear it in mind when I go back to the GoldCoast.

I think you are speaking about a different dragon bet. The one in question is a wager that the bank will win with a 3 card 7, it pays 40/1

The Dragon bonus I was referring too, is the one were the score of one side beating the other exceeds 3, natural scores pay even money.

Win by 9 points 30–1
Win by 8 points 10–1
Win by 7 points 6–1
Win by 6 points 4–1
Win by 5 points 2–1
Win by 4 points 1–1

Player (8 decks) 2.65%
Banker (8 decks) 9.37%

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The Dragon bonus I was referring too, is the one were the score of one side beating the other exceeds 3, natural scores pay even money.

Win by 9 points 30–1
Win by 8 points 10–1
Win by 7 points 6–1
Win by 6 points 4–1
Win by 5 points 2–1
Win by 4 points 1–1

Player (8 decks) 2.65%
Banker (8 decks) 9.37%

Yeah, the side bets can be confusing to the point that an individual is confusing a bet for a completely different type of bet.
The OP is discussing the "Dragon 7" side bet, which is available in the game of EZ Baccarat (no commission).
You are discussing the "Dragon Bonus" bet available on the conventional Mini/Midi Baccarat games.

The "Dragon Bonus" side bet (available on the standard games) can also be beaten via counting, but it is not what I would consider a serious moneymaking opportunity.
A link to Mr. Jacobson's thoughts and analysis on counting this particular bet: Card Counting the Dragon Bonus.