MrCasinoGames
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March 21st, 2013 at 9:21:22 PM permalink
Roulette Computers and Cheating Devices.

Cheating Devices.

How Roulette Computer work.
Stephen Au-Yeung (Legend of New Table Games®) NewTableGames.com
Zcore13
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March 22nd, 2013 at 11:25:49 AM permalink
I just watched the 2nd video and I don't believe the story. Yes, you might be able to measure the speed of the wheel and yes you might be able to measure the speed of the ball going the opposite way, but I don't think there is any chance in predicting the bounce (the ball does not fall right into a spot most of the time) and making the measurements and placing the proper bets without something looking suspicous.

Also, 2 trials does not equal proof that it works. I'd put this on my urban legend list.

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konceptum
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March 22nd, 2013 at 11:29:50 AM permalink
BBC Article on the Roulette scam.
Obviously, a BBC article doesn't legitimize the event as having actually occurred, but I think it's fairly reasonable. The first link in the OP has a piece about the roulette scanner as well, with a bit more information, perhaps. They state that the computer "predicted" a number that would appear, and the betters would bet on it, as well as neighboring numbers. It sounds to me like perhaps they were able to utilize their technology to predict an 'area' that the ball would land in, based upon the data given, such as speed of the wheel, speed of the ball, etc.
Keyser
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March 22nd, 2013 at 11:50:42 AM permalink
Zscore,

It's far from urban legend. All you have to do is read on the history of the wheel and articles written by the roulette wheel engineer, George Melas.
Zcore13
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March 22nd, 2013 at 12:13:58 PM permalink
Well, I didn't say you had to add it to YOUR urban legend list. It's just on mine, along with dice control, the U.S. taking down the Twin Towers, a shooter in the grassy knoll, the moon landing being faked, Bigfoot and that aliens were found and hid in the Nevada desert.

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MathExtremist
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March 22nd, 2013 at 12:35:48 PM permalink
Read up on Eudaemonic Pie by Thomas Bass. Not only do roulette computers work, they've been successfully used in casinos. That's why it's a crime to do so today.

These days, there's probably an app for that. It would be illegal to use but not terribly hard to implement on a modern smartphone.
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice." -- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
Zcore13
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March 22nd, 2013 at 12:57:51 PM permalink
It's probably a crime to use any electronic device in a casino to attempt to gain an advantage, whether it actually works or not.

ZCore13
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Keyser
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March 22nd, 2013 at 3:34:46 PM permalink
I can see how something like the ball bounce would appear random to someone like Zscore13. The physics are probably a bit to complex for someone like Zscore to grasp. Unless you have access to your own wheel or access to some coefficient of restitution test results, it probably all seems quite random.
Zcore13
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March 22nd, 2013 at 3:47:35 PM permalink
Haha. Thank you Keyster. Yes, you are obviously way too smart for me. I guess I will have to agree that roullette is not random and the bouncing of the ball wildly around the wheel is easliy calculated.

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Keyser
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March 22nd, 2013 at 3:59:11 PM permalink
Zcore13,

If you'd like to learn more, then you can visit the website of George Melas, the chief wheel design engineer for TCS Huxley. He documents various cases throughout the history of the wheel.

Now, about BJ, did you know there are numbers on those cards? Even though those cards appear to vary wildly... ;)

-Keyser

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