AxiomOfChoice
AxiomOfChoice
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January 3rd, 2013 at 6:15:05 PM permalink
Yeah, they will quite happily let you make a passline bet after the point is established if you really want 1:1 instead of 7:6. Although, the dealers will usually suggest that you move most of it back to odds (so that it pays better) but I've seen lots of people refuse because they didn't understand what was going on.
UCivan
UCivan
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January 3rd, 2013 at 11:21:49 PM permalink
Quote: AxiomOfChoice

Good point. I am going to patent 26 to 25 blackjack. Look how big those numbers are! Green chip minimums, of course, but you have to expect to play higher in exchange for such good rules.

You can even patent "blackjack loses". Patents don';t mean anything if there is no commercial value.
AxiomOfChoice
AxiomOfChoice
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January 4th, 2013 at 12:11:26 PM permalink
It was a joke...
teddys
teddys
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January 5th, 2013 at 10:26:51 PM permalink
Man, I miss playing UTH. I am absolutely convinced I am up a net $$$ amount after 100s OF HOURS of play on that game at various casinos due to dealer mistakes and mispays, betting on other players 4x hands, tips other players have given me when they bet on my trips (happens more often that you might think), generous free play, comps, and bounce back mailers based on my play.

It was like the greatest casual gambling opportunity ever, with absolutely no AP shenanigans whatsoever. (That's a whole different can of worms). Same thing with Spanish 21. A -$4.20 E.V. per hour is just so easy to buck.
"Dice, verily, are armed with goads and driving-hooks, deceiving and tormenting, causing grievous woe." -Rig Veda 10.34.4
Ibeatyouraces
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January 6th, 2013 at 7:02:03 AM permalink
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
98Clubs
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January 6th, 2013 at 9:21:52 AM permalink
My previous posts were an attempt at the poker player walking up to the UTH game, and using prior knowledge at an attempt to play. Most poker players do not usually play heads-up. This one fact will cause most poker players to have a large house edge just because of the opening 4x raise. If one looks at the 6-player TH rankings, basically 66 or better, suited 8-low, any two cards 10-low, and any Suited Ace is about it. Looser players might include any suited King, and any Ace.

If one looks at the WoO Heads-Up Texas Holdem Pockets one will find the K-2 suited as the lowest ranked hand that qualifies as a 4x Raise. All the Pockets above this EXCEPT TWO are absolutely correct. The two exceptions are T9 suited and J9 off-suit that SHOULD NOT be raised. When looking at the Pockets Chart, the two errors are much smaller than typical "poker play", and very enlightening to Ultimate Texas Holdem. Edit: Note the EV of these K2s and up.

If one still has lingering doubts about the WoO 4x strategy, know this... failing to raise on just 6 hands; 33, K2s, Q6s, Q7s, J8s, and J9s will increase the House Edge by 0.1%. These 6 decisions are among the smallest errors to be made. I can only surmise that the 2 errors in the TH Pocket Chart is no worse, but maybe a stats person here can check T9 Suited and J9 off-suit.
Some people need to reimagine their thinking.

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