bigfoot66
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November 22nd, 2012 at 10:15:22 PM permalink
I may be wrong but I believe there is a process where a game gets partial approval and goes in for a field trial of a couple months and then they fully approve it after that, and the GN install was that field trial.
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98Clubs
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November 22nd, 2012 at 10:53:45 PM permalink
Jeez... IF no multi-card Free-double the HE gains 0.60%. By allowing Split 4's as Free Double the HE is -0.24% for a HE gain of +0.36%
According to WoO the initial HE is 0.79%... Adding 0.36% is a HE of 1.15%.
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November 23rd, 2012 at 5:57:53 AM permalink
Quote: bigfoot66

You are most welcome. I have to think that multi card doubling is has more EV for the player than splitting 4's, but simpler rules are better than more complicated rules.



Correct on both accounts. The house edge, with surrender, was too low on the initial game so it needed to be raised a little plus it now follows the regular game of Blackjack more closely so it's easier to train the dealers.
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November 23rd, 2012 at 6:00:29 AM permalink
Quote: AcesAndEights

Wait I'm confused, wasn't it already at the Golden Nugget?

Oh, I'm guessing it was the rules change, requiring re-approval.



Yes, whenever the rules are tweaked, after the initial approval of the game, you have to apply for a variation of a variation :-)

Unfortunately, this takes longer to do now as you also need GLI approval before applying to Nevada Gaming.
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November 23rd, 2012 at 6:06:35 AM permalink
Quote: 98Clubs

Jeez... IF no multi-card Free-double the HE gains 0.60%. By allowing Split 4's as Free Double the HE is -0.24% for a HE gain of +0.36%
According to WoO the initial HE is 0.79%... Adding 0.36% is a HE of 1.15%.



You're correct in that the rule change adds over 0.3% to the house edge. However, the version at The Nugget, with surrender, had a house edge of just over 0.4%, which was too low particularly as Free Bet reduces player errors slightly in the game.

The choice was to remove surrender or go for the rule change. As the change actually mimics regular Blackjack more closely it was decided to do the latter.

So the new house edge at the Golden Nugget will be 0.79% (which is possibly where Mike got his number from) ... however, casinos that do not give the surrender option will be working on a house edge around 1% and even higher if they do not allow re-split Aces as well.
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November 23rd, 2012 at 8:33:47 AM permalink
I think the house edge should be higher. Or in the words of W C Fields " Never smarten up a chump." And I am indeed serious.
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November 23rd, 2012 at 9:22:38 AM permalink
Reference the UK version, you state at approximately five minutes into the video - "The blackjacks would already have been paid out at full odds prior to this." As you know Geoff, this will not be case if the dealer is holding a ten or an ace. So, should the dealer bust to 22 from either of said cards, what is the rule for BJs in this instance, still paid at 3-2 or push?

On a side note, I think Hollywood beckons for Rob Adams.
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November 23rd, 2012 at 12:07:38 PM permalink
:-) I'll pass that onto rob hehe

In the UK you would still get paid out if you had a 'Blackjack' and the dealer turns a '22' with either a 10 or Ace.
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November 25th, 2012 at 9:52:09 AM permalink
Quote: 98Clubs

Jeez... IF no multi-card Free-double the HE gains 0.60%. By allowing Split 4's as Free Double the HE is -0.24% for a HE gain of +0.36%
According to WoO the initial HE is 0.79%... Adding 0.36% is a HE of 1.15%.



This is too bad. I was looking forward to trying it (and probably will, briefly) but I don't see myself playing a blackjack variant with over a 1% edge when there are lots of blackjack games with sub-0.3% edges available.

I'm not sure that I believe the part about surrender. I believe that surrender increases the house's profits since people either never surrender, so it doesn't matter, or they surrender way too much (eg, 13s against 7s). Keeping surrender and losing the multi-card free doubles is win-win for the house.
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November 25th, 2012 at 11:41:18 AM permalink
My guess is the target audience for Free Bet is not BJ players that seek to find BJ tables with sub 0.3% HE. Variants are designed to introduce variety and fun for players That are willing to play at a slightly higher HE as they enjoy the different options available in the variant.

The way Geoff modified the rules with surrender, the game still has a 0.79% HE and that is a lot better than playing a 6/5 BJ Game and I am certain that Geoff & Roger would be excited if every one of those tables became Free Bet tables instead.

New games are designed to make more money per hour for the house. Successful ones offer a more enjoyable player experience for which players are willing to pay more to play.

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