Empty Arena Games and sports bets
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This is different. This is championship rounds. This is planned, The MLB empty n game was fairly last minute.
Without discussing if the coronavirus, and other than saying don't discuss it I am not, does this affect how you will bet the games?
An underdog making a run surely feeds off crowd energy. Players surely have to feel down not being onstage, that might hurt the small school payers who this is their one chance to play that big a venue. So it might mean take the chalk more than usual?
What say you?
And lets keep it about the line only.
What would be interesting is whether some arenas tarp off the empty seats behind the basket to eliminate this issue, while others don't.
Quote: sabreI think it's going to be a moot point, but don't tiered rows of uniform empty seats screw up depth perception? I'd think under might be the way to go.
What would be interesting is whether some arenas tarp off the empty seats behind the basket to eliminate this issue, while others don't.
Good point. I honestly have no idea about its effect but interesting, never thought of it.
- In March Madness, do empty arenas hurt the large underdog? Often the neutral fans in an arena, that are there to support teams in a different game, will vocally get behind the underdog when they start fast, or are keeping it close late in the game.
- Depth perception on jump shots
- The players and more importantly the officials will be able to hear everything. Could this result in more technical fouls?
- The arena's will presumably be colder as there aren't the fans to generate heat, this could potentially impact fg%
Quote: DRichI expect the tournament will be cancelled.
I agree, but assuming they go on it's a unique situation that might provide some betting opportunities. I wonder if big underdog point spreads could have value. Heavy favorites with a big lead in the 4th might just sit on every possession in an empty arena.
The NCAA BB tournament is probably the next shoe to fall. The NCAA itself gets almost $900 million in revenue from this - its not clear how the NCAA can survive if their BB tournament is cancelled.
Quote: DRichI expect the tournament will be cancelled.
I agree with this.
When Rudy Gobert from the jazz tested positive , and then Donovan Mitchell did , (assuming one contracted it from the other) I had a feeling that would be it for team sporting events for a while.
But as of now, the big east tournament and the NHL seem to both be going on. Not much else.
Quote: gordonm888All conference basketball tournaments are now cancelled - the ACC, SEC, Big 10, Big 12, Pac-12, have all just announced the cancellation of their tournaments, starting with today's games.
The NCAA BB tournament is probably the next shoe to fall. The NCAA itself gets almost $900 million in revenue from this - its not clear how the NCAA can survive if their BB tournament is cancelled.
In contrast the Big East tourney is playing a game right now. They are “still deciding” whether to cancel.
Fascinating story of a college basketball team that played nine games in empty arenas because of a measles outbreak.
Quote: gordonm888All conference basketball tournaments are now cancelled - the ACC, SEC, Big 10, Big 12, Pac-12, have all just announced the cancellation of their tournaments, starting with today's games.
The NCAA BB tournament is probably the next shoe to fall. The NCAA itself gets almost $900 million in revenue from this - its not clear how the NCAA can survive if their BB tournament is cancelled.
Well the collapse of the NCAA would not be a bad thing.
?????Huh???Quote: AZDuffmanSo it might mean take the chalk more than usual?
Quote: FleaStiff?????Huh???
Chalk means the favorite. From horse racing, the favorites had to keep being changed because everyone was betting on the horse. The odds were written in chalk, so that's where this comes from. You should know this. Was this not your question?
That doesn’t make any sense.Quote: TigerWuWith an empty arena, the home field advantage and the away team disadvantage should cancel out, so the odds and betting should remain the same.
Quote: TigerWuWith an empty arena, the home field advantage and the away team disadvantage should cancel out, so the odds and betting should remain the same.
I maintain the home field advantage is mainly due to referee bias towards the home team. The refs will deny it vehemently, but sports is ultimately a business and fans pay more money to see a team that wins at home. The book Sportscasting was full of evidence of referee bias in multiple sports in favor of the home team.
That said, will the refs feel the same pressure to send the home-team fans home happy? I think not. It will make for a good Ask the Wizard question.
Quote: TigerWuWith an empty arena, the home field advantage and the away team disadvantage should cancel out, so the odds and betting should remain the same.
Makes no sense.
The home team advantage and the away team disadvantage are the same thing.
The lines in an empty arena would reflect that of a neutral site game.
Quote: michael99000Makes no sense.
The home team advantage and the away team disadvantage are the same thing.
The lines in an empty arena would reflect that of a neutral site game.
It does not matter anymore, but for discussion.
Home team is about more than fans. You sleep in your own bed. You go to your own locker room where you have more personal things than at an away game. You know the "feel" of the court/ice/turf. Your eating patterns have not changed. All of these things add up.
An empty arena takes out any potential fan bias. which should have balanced out in the NCAA Tourney, but we all know some teams travel better than others. The rest both sides mostly have to deal with, assuming travel time and time zone differences even out.
Baseball..... Batting last is an advantage.
Hockey.... Home team gets last change on faceoffs. Advantage.
I do not think there are any rules that favor home over road team in NFL or NBA.
I've played basketball in an empty NCAA Division 1 arena. No problem with depth perception. Home fans also attempt to distract opposing players possibly adding to a home court advantage.
Quote: michael99000Makes no sense.
The home team advantage and the away team disadvantage are the same thing.
The lines in an empty arena would reflect that of a neutral site game.
That's exactly what I was trying to say. You just restated my position. Guess I wasn't clear enough?
Except the line would move. Because of course the line moves if the game moves from a home field to a neutral field.Quote: TigerWuThat's exactly what I was trying to say. You just restated my position. Guess I wasn't clear enough?
Wondering if anyone has watched MLB empty-park games so far and has any input as to if the lack of fans is affecting the games?
IMHO, baseball will be least affected as there are no audibles to call over loud fans. Baseball fans are usually just a few steps above golf fans as to what we can call "energy" in the regular season, so the effect should be minimal.
Thoughts?
Quote: AZDuffmanEmpty Arena/Park games are now a reality.
Wondering if anyone has watched MLB empty-park games so far and has any input as to if the lack of fans is affecting the games?
IMHO, baseball will be least affected as there are no audibles to call over loud fans. Baseball fans are usually just a few steps above golf fans as to what we can call "energy" in the regular season, so the effect should be minimal.
Thoughts?
I haven't noticed any difference without fans in baseball. it seems the same to me.
Away teams sleep in hotels or travel on day games, eat room service or in unfamiliar places and are outside their routine.
An empty arena does not equate to a neutral site.
Quote: billryanHome teams sleep in their own beds, eat wherever they normally do and do their normal routine.
Away teams sleep in hotels or travel on day games, eat room service or in unfamiliar places and are outside their routine.
An empty arena does not equate to a neutral site.
I agree totally. Just curious how much weight should be given to no fans.
Quote: AZDuffmanI agree totally. Just curious how much weight should be given to no fans.
I would give almost zero weight to that.
