flamingoezz
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August 19th, 2018 at 8:09:04 PM permalink
I placed a bet on a future event and noticed it was entered incorrectly. Can this be swapped? and if so, can it be done by someone else? I didn't plan on making another trip soon, but have a friend I could give my betting slip and rewards card.

Thanks!
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August 20th, 2018 at 3:56:16 AM permalink
Quote: flamingoezz

I placed a bet on a future event and noticed it was entered incorrectly. Can this be swapped? and if so, can it be done by someone else? I didn't plan on making another trip soon, but have a friend I could give my betting slip and rewards card.

Thanks!



Unlikely. There is usually some disclaimer about 'ticket must be checked for accuracy before you leave the window'. Since time has passed and situations change (trades, injuries, etc..) there is no way a sportsbook should feel required to give you a 'do-over'.
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August 20th, 2018 at 4:26:59 AM permalink
I would check the current line and see if you want to buy an offsetting ticket.

I understand most sports books have rather iron clad rules on this.

Be sure you do whatever you can to see the ticket writer enters the information correctly. The best way to do this is to grab one of those brochures and make certain you are giving the sports writer the information in the correct sequence. That is the first step you can take to avoid any repetitions of these unfortunate incidents.

Good luck.
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August 20th, 2018 at 9:16:16 AM permalink
You can always just call and ask. If they’ll void it, you’d probably have to show up in person. But I wouldn’t expect them to void it out for you.
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August 20th, 2018 at 10:29:01 AM permalink
Hopefully you get lucky.
Many years ago, I bet horses a lot. Mostly at OTB but occasionally at Roosevelt Raceway. OTB used letters for post positions so the #1 horse was A, and so on.
The International Trot comes and a horse named Savoir, is the local favorite. I approach the clerk and accidentally ask for $10 on the A horse, forgetting the right term is #1 horse. He hears it as 8 horse. I realize my mistake but clerk says no refunds. He holds my ticket in case someone asks for it but post time comes and I'm stuck with it. Race starts and my number 8 horse, Bellini something ,based out of Italy goes wire to wire paying $38 and change for a $2 bet. I was a freshman in college making $2.30 an hour and it was the biggest win on my short horse betting career.
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August 20th, 2018 at 12:06:05 PM permalink
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You can always just call and ask.

Wrong. No, you (he) can't.

U.S. Code › Title 18 › Part I › Chapter 50 › § 1084 (The Wire Act)]

And, a Las Vegas book and it's employee that answered any such phone call would also be subject to being fined by Nevada Gaming Control and/or having their State gaming license suspended or revoked.
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August 20th, 2018 at 3:30:53 PM permalink
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Wrong. No, you (he) can't.

U.S. Code › Title 18 › Part I › Chapter 50 › § 1084 (The Wire Act)]

And, a Las Vegas book and it's employee that answered any such phone call would also be subject to being fined by Nevada Gaming Control and/or having their State gaming license suspended or revoked.



You cant make or have it fixed, but you cant just ask a question?
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August 20th, 2018 at 3:33:20 PM permalink
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Wrong. No, you (he) can't.

U.S. Code › Title 18 › Part I › Chapter 50 › § 1084 (The Wire Act)]

And, a Las Vegas book and it's employee that answered any such phone call would also be subject to being fined by Nevada Gaming Control and/or having their State gaming license suspended or revoked.


Which part, specifically says you can't call them and ask?

Quote:

(b) Nothing in this section shall be construed to prevent the transmission in interstate or foreign commerce of information for use in news reporting of sporting events or contests, or for the transmission of information assisting in the placing of bets or wagers on a sporting event or contest from a State or foreign country where betting on that sporting event or contest is legal into a State or foreign country in which such betting is legal.

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August 20th, 2018 at 3:34:22 PM permalink
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You cant make or have it fixed, but you cant just ask a question?


Of course you/he can. He doesn't know wtf he's talking about. I've done it myself.
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August 20th, 2018 at 4:28:54 PM permalink
Bullsh**. I most certainly do know what I'm talking about with this. And you really need to avoid popping off on stuff you don't have any actual information and understanding about.

Answering "a question" by phone from someone across state lines about their sports wagering has been clearly illegal since The Wire Act of 1961 explicitly made it so, and continues to be, and since some poorly trained idiot in a book doing so is one of the biggest no-no's that could cause legal problems with the Feds for the entire industry in the State casinos have procedures to avoid taking direct phone calls to their sportsbooks from the general public, outside of ADW account holders located in-State.
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August 20th, 2018 at 4:51:18 PM permalink
Quote: DrawingDead

Bullsh**. I most certainly do know what I'm talking about with this. And you really need to avoid popping off on stuff you don't have any actual information and understanding about.

Answering "a question" by phone from someone across state lines about their sports wagering has been clearly illegal since The Wire Act of 1961 explicitly made it so, and continues to be, and since some poorly trained idiot in a book doing so is one of the biggest no-no's that could cause legal problems with the Feds for the entire industry in the State casinos have procedures to avoid taking direct phone calls to their sportsbooks from the general public, outside of ADW account holders located in-State.



Idk for sure but I'm pretty skeptical.

It would make some sense if the couldn't quote you a line. But it would be pretty weird if they couldn't tell you sportsbook rules and policies.
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August 20th, 2018 at 4:52:29 PM permalink
Oh good grief.
Quote: RS

Quote: DrawingDead

Wrong. No, you (he) can't.

U.S. Code › Title 18 › Part I › Chapter 50 › § 1084 (The Wire Act)]

And, a Las Vegas book and it's employee that answered any such phone call would also be subject to being fined by Nevada Gaming Control and/or having their State gaming license suspended or revoked.


Which part, specifically says you can't call them and ask?

Quote:

(b) Nothing in this section shall be construed to prevent the transmission in interstate or foreign commerce of information for use in news reporting of sporting events or contests, or for the transmission of information assisting in the placing of bets or wagers on a sporting event or contest from a State or foreign country where betting on that sporting event or contest is legal into a State or foreign country in which such betting is legal.

[Red highlighting added to your underlining for "Duh."]

The "specific part" of the matter is the very widely understood and accepted plain language of the first sentence & paragraph (a), the very first and clearly central part of the act, that you chose to omit, when you then quoted only the obviously irrelevant to this circumstance secondary part recognizing the exception carved out for those using the telecommunications (phone call) who are both located within the State (of Nevada) with legal sportsbetting that followed this...

Quote:

(a) Whoever being engaged in the business of betting or wagering knowingly uses a wire communication facility for the transmission in interstate or foreign commerce of bets or wagers or information assisting in the placing of bets or wagers on any sporting event or contest, or for the transmission of a wire communication which entitles the recipient to receive money or credit as a result of bets or wagers, or for information assisting in the placing of bets or wagers, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.

....as well as the sixty years of enforcement actions and actual day-to-day implementation of it which is and has long been very well understood throughout Nevada's legal sportsbetting industry and NV State Gaming regulators.

And to everyone in the legal US sportsbook business, this has been a very basic "Duh!" fundamental condition of their license to exist for longer than you've been alive and continues to be.
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August 21st, 2018 at 5:45:47 AM permalink
I’m going to call bullshit on it being illegal. Many Nevada sportsbooks put their rules and policies online for anyone in the world to see. All the odds are available, sometimes even directly from the book (through a wire communication). The law is “Assisting in the placing of bets or wagers,” in this case telling someone their policies or law or that “all tickets go as written” and “check your ticket before leaving” would not be assisting anyone in making a bet and no court would interpret it in that way. It’s common for people who work in a sportsbook to give media interviews (that can be heard outside NV over a wire) and give out all sorts of sportsbook information
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August 21st, 2018 at 12:47:32 PM permalink
Well then, the consensus at WoV is clear. So therefore, good luck either calling the casino sprortsbook on their public direct phone line (NOT a call center dedicated specifically to in-State ADW betting accounts only), or getting the casino phone system operator to connect you to the book with a sportsbetting question.

Methinks there's likely some good-faith confusion and assumptions being made by a few people probably in part due to some of the visible effects following some 2008 NGCB changes that loosened up a lot on things like customers using their own mobile phones and connected computing devices in the books. But a lot of the above is either irrelevant to the issue of whether books are taking direct customer phone calls (NOT the very different & more convoluted matter of books with separate ADW sprortsbet call centers), or involves making up what someone thinks should and shouldn't be reasonable policies & intended effects, and naturally also a few of the usual poorly informed forum critter assertions that are just plain flat out not true.

But hey, this is WoV, and the popular vote is a bunch to one, so it must be so, and I surrender. Therefore, the Original Poster fellow should have no trouble making that easy peasy recommended phone call to get his pretty simple straightforward question answered about his betting ticket! Yippee! WoV forum folk have just made it so; happy day & you won't need me wishing you any good luck ringing them right up!
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August 21st, 2018 at 1:28:49 PM permalink
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August 21st, 2018 at 6:12:57 PM permalink
Quote: DrawingDead

Well then, the consensus at WoV is clear. So therefore, good luck either calling the casino sprortsbook on their public direct phone line (NOT a call center dedicated specifically to in-State ADW betting accounts only), or getting the casino phone system operator to connect you to the book with a sportsbetting question.

Methinks there's likely some good-faith confusion and assumptions being made by a few people probably in part due to some of the visible effects following some 2008 NGCB changes that loosened up a lot on things like customers using their own mobile phones and connected computing devices in the books. But a lot of the above is either irrelevant to the issue of whether books are taking direct customer phone calls (NOT the very different & more convoluted matter of books with separate ADW sprortsbet call centers), or involves making up what someone thinks should and shouldn't be reasonable policies & intended effects, and naturally also a few of the usual poorly informed forum critter assertions that are just plain flat out not true.

But hey, this is WoV, and the popular vote is a bunch to one, so it must be so, and I surrender. Therefore, the Original Poster fellow should have no trouble making that easy peasy recommended phone call to get his pretty simple straightforward question answered about his betting ticket! Yippee! WoV forum folk have just made it so; happy day & you won't need me wishing you any good luck ringing them right up!


Don’t get me wrong, I appreciate your effort. Glad you conceded.
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