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Quote: SOOPOO
But seriously, the NFL will want as many fans as allowed by the local authorities.
We'll see. lol
Quote: SOOPOOYou mean is the NFL going to allow teams to not have fans? Sure. The visiting team gets a percentage, I think 20%, of ticket revenue. It is why there are PSLs (not included in ticket sales). And certain suite revenue is not included as well. Nor revenue from the $12 Budweisers.
But seriously, the NFL will want as many fans as allowed by the local authorities. If you are concerned about the competitive advantage that rabid fans would bring, the Bills would be in the Super Bowl every year. And all five Jacksonville fans in their stands ...... you get my point.
Speaking of Jacksonville, between players who have opted out and are injured, the Jaguars are down to a total of half a dozen defensive players from their first two teams. Right now, they'd be lucky to win an SEC division.
The NFL will go forward come hell or high water. What happens come late October, when flu hits along with Covid surges and everything blows up even worse? Should be entertaining to watch the NFL attempt to plow ahead after everyone else pulls the plug.
Quote: kewljWe'll see. lol
It'll be interesting to see if Jerry makes fans sign waivers before attending games, like President Trump's Tulsa rally. I don't see how he can proceed without the waivers, otherwise the whole league is responsible. He'll either have to get waivers instituted or sign some kind of compartmentalization contract where he assumes full legal responsibility as opposed to the NFL in case of Covid lawsuits.
Quote: redietzAll games are home games, in a sense. The 76ers may do extremely well.
Quote: lilredroosterabsolute nonsense
76ers home record in Philly - 29-2
76ers record in Disneyworld 4-4
76ers overall record before Disneyworld - 39-26
76ers standing Atlantic Division 3rd out of 5
76ers standing Eastern Conference - 6th
Quote: lilredrooster76ers home record in Philly - 29-2
76ers record in Disneyworld 4-4
76ers overall record before Disneyworld - 39-26
76ers standing Atlantic Division 3rd out of 5
76ers standing Eastern Conference - 6th
I agree that all games are NOT home games, but closer to neutral site games. But I think Philly would play in Timbuktu if Ben Simmons was available. His loss is more important to Philly than location of the games.
Quote: SOOPOO home games, . . . . . neutral site games. ............. Ben Simmons. [q/Egads, you sports types sure do track a lot of information.
from the article:
"The Chiefs said they had “finalized plans for a reduced capacity of approximately 22 percent to kick off the 2020 season.” That would mean a capacity of a little under 17,000 fans at a stadium that usually seats more than 76,000."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/08/17/chiefs-announce-plans-have-fans-nfls-season-opening-game/?hpid=hp_sports1-8-12_chiefsfans-815pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans
The Chiefs organization says they are "following NFL guidance."
"The NFL .. said that decisions on whether to have fans in attendance at games this season would be made on a team-by-team, city-by-city basis, based on local guidelines and health restrictions related to the pandemic."
What a circular ass-covering pile of crap.
Quote: gordonm888The NFL (and the Kansas City Chiefs) are revealed as money -grubbing idiots. They will allow 17,000 fans in the stadium? When they say that fans will be "required" to wear masks, does that mean that it will be enforced? Because requirements without enforcement is worth very little.
The Chiefs organization says they are "following NFL guidance."
"The NFL .. said that decisions on whether to have fans in attendance at games this season would be made on a team-by-team, city-by-city basis, based on local guidelines and health restrictions related to the pandemic."
What a circular ass-covering pile of crap.
Disagree with your assessment 100%. The KC Chiefs play in Kansas City, Missouri. Like ALL businesses in KC, MO, the government has set requirements for businesses to be open. Just like restaurants are limited in capacity, and have certain mask wearing requirements, so will the Chiefs. Why on earth would a business not choose to do business following the exact guidelines that their local governments put forth? I know you don't care, but the NFL owners, like ANY business owners, are in business to make a profit. Though they do take in a bunch of $$$ from TV, they take in (guess) $60 million or so from tickets. parking, beer, in stadium advertising, etc.....
You ask about enforcement? I'll bet you any amount that there will be MORE enforcement than a locally owned restaurant.
I'm not sure if the NFL can allow some teams to have fans and others not. I would think they would want an even playing field.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2905213-hornets-broadcaster-john-focke-suspended-indefinitely-after-tweeting-racial-slur?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial
Quote: SOOPOODisagree with your assessment 100%. The KC Chiefs play in Kansas City, Missouri. Like ALL businesses in KC, MO, the government has set requirements for businesses to be open. Just like restaurants are limited in capacity, and have certain mask wearing requirements, so will the Chiefs. Why on earth would a business not choose to do business following the exact guidelines that their local governments put forth?
No other sports team has proposed having 10,000+ live spectators. No other sports business has made the trade-offs and come to the decision that the Chiefs have. You should be asking "Why on Earth?" are the KC Chiefs making a decision that no one else is making?
Quote: SOOPOOI know you don't care, but the NFL owners, like ANY business owners, are in business to make a profit. Though they do take in a bunch of $$$ from TV, they take in (guess) $60 million or so from tickets. parking, beer, in stadium advertising, etc.....
You ask about enforcement? I'll bet you any amount that there will be MORE enforcement than a locally owned restaurant.
There are not 17,000 people in a restaurant.
And this disease is airborne and the smallest water droplets sprayed from a mouth will remain in the air for minutes or longer. Large crowds really should be avoided. The chance of a large number of people being infected at a sporting event, concert or theme park is simply too high.
And people who are in business should worry about their reputation being tainted by starting large outbreaks. Its not good for the "brand."
Seems like a super aggressive plan imho.
https://thespun.com/nfl/nfc-east/dallas-cowboys/cowboys-release-plans-for-having-fans-at-att-stadium
https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/dallas-cowboys-nfl-2020-season-stadium-guidelines-tailgating-coronavirus
Quote: gordonm888The NFL (and the Kansas City Chiefs) are revealed as money -grubbing idiots. They will allow 17,000 fans in the stadium? When they say that fans will be "required" to wear masks, does that mean that it will be enforced? Because requirements without enforcement is worth very little.
The Chiefs organization says they are "following NFL guidance."
"The NFL .. said that decisions on whether to have fans in attendance at games this season would be made on a team-by-team, city-by-city basis, based on local guidelines and health restrictions related to the pandemic."
What a circular ass-covering pile of crap.
Those who are afraid to go are free to stay at home. I applaud the Chiefs for trying to get us back to normal.
If.........
Nope, can't bring that up or I will get suspended.
Quote: AZDuffmanThose who are afraid to go are free to stay at home. I applaud the Chiefs for trying to get us back to normal.
If.........
Nope, can't bring that up or I will get suspended.
AZDuffman is absolutely correct. I salute the Chiefs and Cowboys for trying to get Americans back to normal. In fact, I am going to formally write to the Noble (spelling?) Committee and see if I can get both teams' ownership nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. All those in favor, say Die! Ooops, I meant Aye!
The Ayes have it! Or the Dies. One or the other.
I wonder if signing waivers will be part of the ticket-buying process. I suspect so, as the league will want to compartmentalize liability so not all teams are at legal risk.
Quote: redietzAZDuffman is absolutely correct. I salute the Chiefs and Cowboys for trying to get Americans back to normal. In fact, I am going to formally write to the Noble (spelling?) Committee and see if I can get both teams' ownership nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. All those in favor, say Die! Ooops, I meant Aye!
The Ayes have it! Or the Dies. One or the other.
I wonder if signing waivers will be part of the ticket-buying process. I suspect so, as the league will want to compartmentalize liability so not all teams are at legal risk.
Why would they get a prize for just running a normal business? I do not see how one could sue for something so unprovable, but in today's sue happy society maybe they will.
Nobody is forcing anyone to go to a game. Why be so upset about it?
Damian Lillard now shooting 3s from close to half court - way, way out there
Quote: gordonm888No other sports team has proposed having 10,000+ live spectators. No other sports business has made the trade-offs and come to the decision that the Chiefs have. You should be asking "Why on Earth?" are the KC Chiefs making a decision that no one else is making?
There are not 17,000 people in a restaurant.
And this disease is airborne and the smallest water droplets sprayed from a mouth will remain in the air for minutes or longer. Large crowds really should be avoided. The chance of a large number of people being infected at a sporting event, concert or theme park is simply too high.
And people who are in business should worry about their reputation being tainted by starting large outbreaks. Its not good for the "brand."
So you are calling the leaders of the municipalities that were elected by the local populace idiots? That they cannot interpret the scientific data and make a safe decision for their constituents? The number of people is not the only factor. 200 college kids in a dorm room having an orgy might be riskier than 17,000 fans, masked, spread out in a stadium that holds 70,000, don't you think? I'm assuming you don't own a theme park, nor work at one? Let's say no effective vaccine is made... you want theme parks closed forever? No fans at sporting events forever? It will never be safe enough for you without an effective vaccine, right?
What is not good for 'the brand' is to not be putting out their product indefinitely.
If it’s 90% accurate but you’re testing near daily that’s much better than the more accurate tests with longer wait times the general public is dealing with now. With a limited amount of fans you could even set up an area to do that before entry or require proof of a recent test to skip it.
Even though our testing is more widely available now, in many areas of the country the tests that need to be sent in to the lab are close to useless if the patient isn’t considered in the “priority 1” category due to ridiculous delays. I did a CVS minute clinic drive through test about three weeks ago because I was going to visit my parents in about a weeks time and was paranoid about minor dry cough, headache and fatigue off and on I had been feeling for a couple days. It took TWO ENTIRE WEEKS to get the results back. Completely pointless. Didn’t visit them, not a big deal I guess. But in many cases any potential spreading damage would already be done and you’d no longer be contagious in most cases, and are contract tracers supposed to attempt to track starting from from a month or so back then? It’s utterly embarrassing.
https://www.mlb.com/gameday/pirates-vs-white-sox/2020/08/25/631499#game_state=final,game_tab=box,game=631499
https://www.mlb.com/player/lucas-giolito-608337
some players would still dunk and there would still be some great shooters
it would provide exciting challenges for the players and new interest for the fans
in a way similar to how the 3 pointer changed the game
all the 7 footers out there are over the rim without even jumping
it is now at the point of being almost ridiculous
Quote: lilredroosterIMO in basketball the rim should now be raised to 11 feet
some players would still dunk and there would still be some great shooters
it would provide exciting challenges for the players and new interest for the fans
in a way similar to how the 3 pointer changed the game
all the 7 footers out there are over the rim without even jumping
it is now at the point of being almost ridiculous
Apparently if the rim was raised it would make the game MORE dominated by lumbering big men, as rebounding would gain importance over shooting. To me, the 'walking' or 'traveling' that is almost never called is a major detriment. And the ridiculous jumping into the defender to draw contact plays are also a big negative.
Quote: SOOPOOApparently if the rim was raised it would make the game MORE dominated by lumbering big men, as rebounding would gain importance over shooting.
I strongly doubt what you posted here
first, the offensive rebounder, unless fouled, can still score only 2 points
there will still be great 3 point shooters who can score 3 points on one attempt
the 3 point shooters will still have an immense impact on the game
also, the ball will have to be shot higher, as the rim is higher - this means it will come down with more velocity and cause many rebounds to careen farther away from the basket than with the basket at 10 feet as it currently is
but no worries
the decision makers in basketball are a long way from doing this
they are very conservative and only the success of the creative thinkers in the ABA caused them to allow 3 pointers
if it wasn't for the ABA it probably never would have happened
Quote: SOOPOOApparently if the rim was raised it would make the game MORE dominated by lumbering big men, as rebounding would gain importance over shooting. To me, the 'walking' or 'traveling' that is almost never called is a major detriment. And the ridiculous jumping into the defender to draw contact plays are also a big negative.
I would like to see that happen too, but basketball wants high scoring games so they won't be changing it anytime soon.
College football is starting in 7 days with two games next Thursday. I am getting very excited.
Quote: SOOPOOAnd the ridiculous jumping into the defender to draw contact plays are also a big negative.
This was an unintended consequence of the rule change to protect a shooters landing area due to players like Bruce Bowen and Zaza Pauchila's "habit" of placing a foot in between an airborn shooters legs leading to more ankle injuries. Agree it's a huge negative for several reasons
John Hollinger, former VP of the Memphis Grizzlies and invented the efficiency metric PER wrote an excellent thought provoking artice around this issue for The Athletic. He proposed a rule change of only two shots awarded on a three point shot foul for first 46 minutes of the game, switching back to three in the final two minutes to eliminate the advantage of intentionally fouling three point shooters in scoreboard situations.
https://theathletic.com/1360529/2019/11/20/hollinger-the-three-shot-foul-is-a-bad-rule-badly-enforced-with-bad-side-effects-it-needs-to-go/#:~:text=Women's%20College%20Basketball-,Hollinger%3A%20The%20three%2Dshot%20foul%20is%20a%20bad%20rule%2C,effects%E2%80%94%20It%20needs%20to%20go&text=In%20the%20case%20of%20the,bad%20behavior%20and%20stylistic%20monotony.
It's pay-walled but you should be able to find a free trial somewhere if you like.
I'll try to summarize his four reasons for a rule change: 1) Disproportionate return for penalty committed. (2) Creates more contact rather than reducing it, the opposite of the intent of rule change protecting shooters landing area (3) Refs aren't able to call or enforce it correctly from positions they are generally standing on the court. (4) Incentivizes poor behavior and stylistic monotony that makes the game less entertaining.
(1) Disproportionate return.
This really creates points #2 and #4 also: Average two point shot attempt is worth 1.04 points, average three point shot attempt is worth 1.06 points. The shot attempts are worth about the same but foul is way different. Based on league average free throw shooting two shot foul worth 1.56 points, three shot foul worth 2.33 points. If you adjust for the fact that the guys getting fouled on three point shots are much better than average shooters it's near 2.56 points. Value for a flagrant foul 2 shots+possession is 2.6 points. The penalty for a three point foul is the equivalent of intentionally closelining a guy in the air.
(2) Creates more contact rather than reducing it as landing area rule intended:
Players are sticking out their non shooting leg hoping to tag someone because of the combination of disproportionate return of three shot foul and the landing area rule, increasing contact. Also leads to a lot of garbage heaves combined with flops guys throw up with no prayer of making it when they feel any contact coming off a screen that they would never attempt if it was a two shot foul.
(3) Refs can't call it correctly:
They are generally positioned where either they have no depth perception and can't tell if the leg kick is straight out or to the side, or they are positioned too close where they can't really watch both the shooting motion and legs simultaneously.
(4) Incentivizes behavior that makes game less entertaining: Disproportionate return of three shot foul discourages defense from challenging the shot, encourages the leg kickout foul seeking behavior and garbage no chance heaves initiating contact with the defender fighting through screen.
Quote: lilredroosterWow - really cool highlights of Raptors beating Celts in double o.t. in game 6 to force a game 7
I watched the game. Kyle Lowry took a bunch of ridiculously bad shots.... that all went in.... Anunoby buried clutch 3's... again Van Vleet had a 30 second run with NINE points.... kemba, jalen, Theis, all deserved to be on the winning side.....
I am happy Toronto won as there will now be a game 7....
By the way, one of my pre-season picks was Toronto to NOT make the playoffs. You could have gotten 75-1 I think for them to win the championship.
I also think Marcus Smart is a player I would do everything I could to get if I was a contender.
Brady was OK, but not a threat to be a top 10 QB in the league. Same with Rivers. Brees wasn't great either. Mahomes and Jackson are the present AND future.
The Bills were better than their 10 point win over the Jets. Two bad fumbles by the QB. And the dreaded 'prevent' defense at the end of the game. Plus two short FG misses. My betting selections probably hit at around 49% lifetime... but Bills lost two GREAT LBs, Milano and Edmonds. It will hurt them a lot next game against the Fish. (I know Dolphins are mammals.) Bet on the "Fish" +4.
Quote: SOOPOOAfter the Steelers play today I will owe SOMEONE here some money! I remember betting that either Brady or Roethlisberger would not be throwing a pass this year in the NFL. Unless the Steelers run every play I'm in trouble. Perhaps a pre game injury?
Brady was OK, but not a threat to be a top 10 QB in the league. Same with Rivers. Brees wasn't great either. Mahomes and Jackson are the present AND future.
The Bills were better than their 10 point win over the Jets. Two bad fumbles by the QB. And the dreaded 'prevent' defense at the end of the game. Plus two short FG misses. My betting selections probably hit at around 49% lifetime... but Bills lost two GREAT LBs, Milano and Edmonds. It will hurt them a lot next game against the Fish. (I know Dolphins are mammals.) Bet on the "Fish" +4.
Roethlisberger might dislocate an elbow brushing his teeth, or something. Should probably do it left-handed, just in case. Seems like the guy is always hurt, but you'd need a...um, well, it wouldn't be a miracle for him, would it?---for him not to therow a pass this season.
I thought Brady looked pretty okay, in spots. I wouldn't necessarily conclude that he won't be a Top 10 QB in the league. You have to figure that there was no pre-season, so they haven't had to deal with a game environment and that was his first game with most of those guys. These things take some time to gel. I also don't know how many times Brady is going to have to prove people wrong before they'll finally give up on that pursuit.
Also, barring four quarterbacks throwing for 3+ TD's tonight, Brady's currently at least tied for at least 10th in passing TD's.
I don't know what to make of Brees, aside from the general statement that Week 1 isn't always the best indicator of anything.
PROS:
-Brees didn't make many huge mistakes.
-60% Completion Rate is good
-Looked comfortable in the pocket.
CONS:
-Tampa Bay had the 30th ranked pass defense last year, so you should look AWESOME against them, not just okay.
-The 60% completion rate owes itself to a lot of dump off type passes and screens.
-Some of the drive-extending plays were mostly due to TB mistakes. The play that stuck out most to me was a drive extending pass on third down...I think on NO's first scoring drive. Anyway, it's just a little dump pass one or two yards beyond the line of scrimmage with five TB defenders in camera shot...how are you going to let that happen when you know at least one receiver is going to run a route just past the sticks!!!!???
I agree on the Bills, all anyone has to do is look at the box score to know they were in control throughout. "Allen looked really good," is a sentence I didn't expect to be typing this early in the season.
No bet from me, I probably like the line right about there.
Quote: SOOPOOAfter the Steelers play today I will owe SOMEONE here some money! I remember betting that either Brady or Roethlisberger would not be throwing a pass this year in the NFL. Unless the Steelers run every play I'm in trouble. Perhaps a pre game injury?
Brady was OK, but not a threat to be a top 10 QB in the league. Same with Rivers. Brees wasn't great either. Mahomes and Jackson are the present AND future.
The Bills were better than their 10 point win over the Jets. Two bad fumbles by the QB. And the dreaded 'prevent' defense at the end of the game. Plus two short FG misses. My betting selections probably hit at around 49% lifetime... but Bills lost two GREAT LBs, Milano and Edmonds. It will hurt them a lot next game against the Fish. (I know Dolphins are mammals.) Bet on the "Fish" +4.
What? No love for Gardner Minschew. He was 19/20 with three TD's.
I am not usually that impressed with stadiums. I could take them or leave them. But I want to see that stadium up close.
For those that didn't catch the Rams game, you must be able to google it and come up with a video. If so take a look. From the outside it looks like a very modern....I can't even say stadium, because it does not look like a stadium. It is open on the sides and doesn't look tall enough to be a stadium because the field is about 100 feet underground and half the stadium seating is underground. They said this was because of close proximity to LAX, but it is just a really cool stadium....let's make that "kewl" stadium.
Quote: kewljDon't know if this is the right section, but That new Rams / Chargers Stadium, I think it is called SoFi Stadium....WOW!!!!
I am not usually that impressed with stadiums. I could take them or leave them. But I want to see that stadium up close.
For those that didn't catch the Rams game, you must be able to google it and come up with a video. If so take a look. From the outside it looks like a very modern....I can't even say stadium, because it does not look like a stadium. It is open on the sides and doesn't look tall enough to be a stadium because the field is about 100 feet underground and half the stadium seating is underground. They said this was because of close proximity to LAX, but it is just a really cool stadium....let's make that "kewl" stadium.
The stadium has a "World of Tomorrow" look to it. I guess if you build a place like that, the least you can do is call a phantom offensive interference penalty so the home team wins its debut in the stadium.
My condolences to your Eagles, kewlJ. That was bad.
I'm still not used to seeing "Washington Football Team" as an entity on scoreboards.
Quote: redietz
My condolences to your Eagles, kewlJ. That was bad.
I'm still not used to seeing "Washington Football Team" as an entity on scoreboards.
Yeah, with no preseason, I didn't keep up with the Eagles as much as I normally do. I only learned last week that they have serious injuries on the Offensive Line before the season even starts. I think they had 2 guys playing their first game and Jason Peters who is now like 60 years old. lol. Peters was a great tackle for many years, pro bowler, but the last few years has really slipped. He is often injured and just old and slow now. They only brought him back to be a backup and now he is starting again.....for how ever long he lasts before injury.
That said, 8 sacks weren't all the O-lines fault. Wentz has never learned to get rid of the ball. If nothing is open, throw it away, especially on first and second down. This is year 5 for Wentz and it doesn't seem like he is progressing at all. Looks like a long season ahead.
Quote: redietz
I'm still not used to seeing "Washington Football Team" as an entity on scoreboards.
Hail to the Washington Football Team,
Hail Victory...............
Quote: AZDuffmanHail to the Washington Football Team,
Hail Victory...............
That was good. I'll try to work on some lyrics.
One of things, kewlJ, that I did say about Wentz when he came into the league, was that he was polished, and even had 1-AA playoff experience out the wazoo. What that meant was he was ready to play, but had a development ceiling because he was already developed. He's a good QB, but this is about as good as he's going to get, unlike most college QBs heading into Year Five.
They held Barkley to six yards on fifteen carries.
Quote: billryanThe Steelers defense last night was incredible. The Giants don't have the best offense but it was sickening watching what the Steelers did to them.
They held Barkley to six yards on fifteen carries.
If Fitzpatrick, Watt, and Dupree can stay healthy they may be the best defense in football.
Quote: billryanThe Steelers defense last night was incredible. The Giants don't have the best offense but it was sickening watching what the Steelers did to them.
They held Barkley to six yards on fifteen carries.
And Snell is no longer a fantasy sleeper.
Steelers need a tight end. The Ravens games will be fascinating because Jackson will be up against a complicated, blitz-heavy defense that adjusts on the fly. And that is physical and tackles well. On the flip side, Jackson can slide away and torture blitzes. The Raven tight end might catch 10 balls against the Steelers.
I've never ever before seen a 7 footer do this or anything like it:.....................................(-:\
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truly great - on the field and off the field
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/23/sports/football/gale-sayers-dead.html?action=click&module=Well&pgtype=Homepage§ion=Sports
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Rest In Peace.
Quote: unJonHere comes the NFL’s first Covid test. Reports are that the Titans have shut down their facilities after multiple players tested positive. Also hearing that the Vikings have shut their facilities though no word yet of test results. (The Vikings played the Titans on Sunday)
Here's the part where I mention that, as of two months ago, Tennessee was dead last in mask wearing out of all 50 states -- checking in at a lovely 15%. Now things have improved here recently, due mainly to two things -- the state is running commercials advocating mask wearing and chain stores, such as Kroger and Kohls, have made mask-wearing mandatory inside the stores.
Not at all surprised Tennessee is first on the NFL list. The NFLPA will put the hammer down as they warned back in June that two-thirds of NFL players are categorized as "high risk" due to underlying conditions. The linemen almost all qualify as obese, for example. It's going to be a mess.
Next up will be either the Texas teams or the Florida teams.
Quote: redietzHere's the part where I mention that, as of two months ago, Tennessee was dead last in mask wearing out of all 50 states -- checking in at a lovely 15%. Now things have improved here recently, due mainly to two things -- the state is running commercials advocating mask wearing and chain stores, such as Kroger and Kohls, have made mask-wearing mandatory inside the stores.
Not at all surprised Tennessee is first on the NFL list. The NFLPA will put the hammer down as they warned back in June that two-thirds of NFL players are categorized as "high risk" due to underlying conditions. The linemen almost all qualify as obese, for example. It's going to be a mess.
Next up will be either the Texas teams or the Florida teams.
NFL currently saying Titans will play. Maybe delay game to Monday. Let see how sustainable this “next man up” mentality is.
Quote: unJonNFL currently saying Titans will play. Maybe delay game to Monday. Let see how sustainable this “next man up” mentality is.
If they have 11 people healthy they should play the game.
Quote: DRichIf they have 11 people healthy they should play the game.
I don't think that's reasonable. Why the hostility towards the team because coaches and players have what is reported to be 6 positive tests ?
