serena french open FIX!

did anyone watch the french open final with serena and safanova? first set serena breezes. second set serena on cruise control until she goes up 4-1 and starts jumping up and down like she just won the match. Betting sports for years i knew immediately something was up and i was on beat the streak chatboards i said the fix is in serena is gonna lose this set. jumping up and down signaled that she was gonna dump the set and to bet against her or take the over in games for the match or set. at the time when she was up 4-1 betonline had serena's odds of -10000 to win the second set and safanova odds at +4600 to win the second set. I watched serena play alot and she yells and talks to herself but i have never seen her celebrate a point by jumping up and down like she won the chamionship. I have to think there will be an investigation into this. This is beyond pete rose betting on baseball he didn't bet on the reds which he coached. This could be fixing a bet by the only player on the team team serena. Banishment from tennis, the record books, and stripped of all titles would be an appropriate punishment. I go on twitter and everyone saying how great serena is, its amazing how no one noticed how she gave the second set away while crushing safanova in the first and third set. the jumping up and down was too obvious a signal.

Who would she be signaling? If she was going to cheat I am pretty sure she would have had a better signal. Not everything in this world is fixed.

Quote: GWAE

Who would she be signaling? If she was going to cheat I am pretty sure she would have had a better signal. Not everything in this world is fixed.

I am sure you are correct about not everything being fixed...but I also feel fairly certain more things are fixed than we'd like to believe...

Quote: RonC

I am sure you are correct about not everything being fixed...but I also feel fairly certain more things are fixed than we'd like to believe...

I fully believe that as well. I just think the OP is way off on this one. I think there would be better cover than jumping up and down.

Caitlyn Jenner is fixed. Serena Williams is not. :)

she signaled someone that she was going to lose that set. to bet over in set games or match games at that point.. or to bet safanova in the second set to win that set 10k pays over 300k. she knew she would have no trouble beating her in the third set so she signaled she was goin to throw the second set and to place the bet. If you bet sports it was easily detectable. she has never jumped up and down in the middle of any match why at that point and she loses the next 4 games in succession barely hitting the ball over the net and double faulting on serves like she just started playing.

Quote: champ724

she signaled someone that she was going to lose that set. .....she knew she would have no trouble beating her in the third set so she signaled she was goin to throw the second set and to place the bet.

Where do they let you make bets in the middle of a match? Isn't the betting window closed once the horses start running? Betting window closes when the baseball game starts? Isn't it like that in tennis?

I seem to remember years ago when Serena was starting out, her parents telling sister Venus "not to win <insert Grand Slam event here> this time...this is Serena's year", and sure enough, Venus lost, Serena won it that year.

you can bet ingame or "live betting" in the middle of almost any televised sport, any baseball, football, basketball game. betonline has live betting and other online sites do also. the french open live betting props were match winner. set winner, games of the match o/v, games in a set o/u, score of a particular game of a set (what will the player get to 0 15 30 40) serena had huge odds on all those when she served.

Quote: champ724

knew immediately something was up ... at the time when she was up 4-1 betonline had serena's odds of -10000 to win the second set and safanova odds at +4600 to win the second set.

So what are you going to do with the $46,000 you just won?

i dont bet offshore the government can shut it down just like they did poker and they dont have to give you the money in your account.

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i dont bet offshore the government can shut it down just like they did poker and they dont have to give you the money in your account.

HORRIBLE EXCUSE.

It comes down to Risk VS Reward.

There's an extreme probably you will make $46,000. There's a very very very very small chance something will go wrong.


I don't like going to LV north-town there's probably a higher probably I might get mugged. However if I know there's a big bag of money just waiting for me, I'll take the risk.

well you have to have the money online and place the bet within a few minutes.

Quote: champ724

she signaled someone that she was going to lose that set. to bet over in set games or match games at that point.. or to bet safanova in the second set to win that set 10k pays over 300k. she knew she would have no trouble beating her in the third set so she signaled she was goin to throw the second set and to place the bet. If you bet sports it was easily detectable. she has never jumped up and down in the middle of any match why at that point and she loses the next 4 games in succession barely hitting the ball over the net and double faulting on serves like she just started playing.

So why do you think it is she would jump up and down like a maniac to signal she was going to lose the next set instead of maybe adjusting her socks or tying both shoes or dropping her racket at a certain point on the court?

You conspiracy people kill me.


ZCore13

I would guess Serena Williams is worth in excess of $100 million. And she is throwing a set to add to that?

neil o'donnell had tons of money and threw the super bowl. pete rose had tons of money and bet on baseball. there is something called greed no matter how much you got always want more.

adjucting her socks wouldn't signal anything. she knew she could easily beat safanova in the 3rd set so she had to do something noticeable to signal that she had it in the bag n she was goin to tank.

Quote: champ724

neil o'donnell had tons of money and threw the super bowl. pete rose had tons of money and bet on baseball. there is something called greed no matter how much you got always want more.

Neil O'Donnell did not throw the Superbowl and Pete Rose was never accused of fixing a game. You amaze me.

ZCore13

neil o'donnel indeed threw the super bowl against the cowboys its well known the affiliations o'donnell had. pete rose bet on baseball that is documented fact and he admitted it. when you go to division 1 college the first thing you are told is have no affiliations with bookies. i imagine everyone that plays professional sports knows its illegal to bet on the sport you are playing in. its legal to bet on baseball in vegas pete rose knew it was illegal to bet on baseball while being in the majors. you amaze me that you deny corruption and illegal actibities in sports. the theory that they have too much money to want more is silly. warren buffet has billions but he still tries to make more everyday.

Quote: champ724

neil o'donnel indeed threw the super bowl against the cowboys its well known the affiliations o'donnell had. pete rose bet on baseball that is documented fact and he admitted it. when you go to division 1 college the first thing you are told is have no affiliations with bookies. i imagine everyone that plays professional sports knows its illegal to bet on the sport you are playing in. its legal to bet on baseball in vegas pete rose knew it was illegal to bet on baseball while being in the majors. you amaze me that you deny corruption and illegal actibities in sports. the theory that they have too much money to want more is silly. warren buffet has billions but he still tries to make more everyday.

Please supply any facts you have to prove your point then. Saying something is doesn't mean it is. Reading something on the internet doesn't mean it happened. Do you have any investigations into Neil O'Donnell you can quote? Any charges? That would be a pretty serious case. How about any documentation that Pete Rose threw a baseball game? There is no link between betting on a baseball game and throwing it.


ZCore13

pete rose admitted betting on baseball he never admitted betting on baseball games he had anything to do with but iuts illegal for him to bet on any baseball game while being in the major leagues and the deal was he just had to admit betting on baseball he didn't have to admit he bet on his games. that is fact he admitted it. tim donaghhey an nba ref admittedly called games to influence the outcome. prove to me serena williams has ever jumped up and down in the middle of a set when she was crushing her opponent at any point in her $100 million dollar career. if she has so much money why keep playing? prove to me how she had no drugs in her system but couldn't hit the ball over the net or serve the ball last year playing doubles with her sister. if there was no drugs and nothing wrong with her why did they retire and forfeit the match giving the win to their opponents?

Quote: champ724

the theory that they have too much money to want more is silly. warren buffet has billions but he still tries to make more everyday.

If Warren Buffet is till trying to earn more money, why aren't you trying to earn money simply from being so much smarter than everyone else at identifying in-game biases?

i am not smarter it was clear to anyone that watched serena play more than 10 times. the way she acted after she made it 4-1 was odd and never seen before. Predicting something strange like double faulting serve after serve or not be able to hit the ball over the net for 4 games out of the blue and then losing the tiebreaker looking like she didn't know how to hit the ball back was so blatant of a tank job. then "regrouping her composure" and beating her 6-3 in the final set with dominating serves and shots is insulting anyones intelligence that thinks she played to win the 2nd set.

that could be the most conspiracy laden rant I've ever read. Who is she signaling? why? I don't think she needs the money. I've watched a lot of tennis as well and I've seen her fired up before. tough to say she is fixing a match when she wins the match??! I'm going with the guess you lost money betting on the 2nd set? I may be wrong, but this accusation is ridiculous.

no there is "in game wagering" on most off shore sites.

Neil O'Donnell didn't throw the super bowl, he just sucked... Pete Rose never had, nor ever will have the money Serena has.. she is multi-multi millionaire. I love a good conspiracy, ,but you are way off. if you didn't bet and lose, why do you care?

so you know O'Donnell threw the game, where is any credible evidence of that.... he was just a horrible QB. So you think the greatest female tennis player of all time , is going to flush that away for $300k, that she will have to split with whomever made the wager. she is going to take the chance of being the ultimate piranha for $200000? she probably tips the valet that much... its so asinine to the point of absurdity. I suppose Sandy Hook was a Hoax too.... ? like I said I love a great conspiracy , but this makes no sense... and I cant believe I'm wasting my time arguing about this.

its getting out there now, you bet a bunch of money on her in the past and she lost. this makes MUCH more sense. asked and answered. now I get it , she burned you on a wager, when you laid a big number on her and she lost... got it.

the williams have been questioned for fixing matches since 2001

Quote: champ724

neil o'donnel indeed threw the super bowl against the cowboys its well known the affiliations o'donnell had. pete rose bet on baseball that is documented fact and he admitted it. when you go to division 1 college the first thing you are told is have no affiliations with bookies. i imagine everyone that plays professional sports knows its illegal to bet on the sport you are playing in. its legal to bet on baseball in vegas pete rose knew it was illegal to bet on baseball while being in the majors. you amaze me that you deny corruption and illegal actibities in sports. the theory that they have too much money to want more is silly. warren buffet has billions but he still tries to make more everyday.

Lol at well known. I live in Pittsburgh and listen to sports talk everyday. I am pretty sure I have never heard people complaining that he threw the game.

Quote: champ724

neil o'donnel indeed threw the super bowl against the cowboys its well known the affiliations o'donnell had. pete rose bet on baseball that is documented fact and he admitted it. when you go to division 1 college the first thing you are told is have no affiliations with bookies. i imagine everyone that plays professional sports knows its illegal to bet on the sport you are playing in. its legal to bet on baseball in vegas pete rose knew it was illegal to bet on baseball while being in the majors. you amaze me that you deny corruption and illegal actibities in sports. the theory that they have too much money to want more is silly. warren buffet has billions but he still tries to make more everyday.

Ok what you have here is a lot of talk. I've listened to sports talk radio almost every day for the last 20 years (since it existed basically), and have never once heard anyone mention Neil O'Donnell throwing the super bowl. so it hardly "well known". Maybe, he was a crappy quarterback and the Cowboys team they were playing was one of the best teams ever (it's a much simpler explanation).

I live near Baltimore, there are still people here old enough to remember (I'm not) that are convinced the Baltimore Colts tanked the famous SB III game against Joe Namath and the Jets. Some people think Namath guaranteed the game because he knew the fix was in. Bubba Smith, one of the best players on that team, even wrote a book where he alleges it in print. I've heard a dozen other Colts players deny it angrily. So who the hell knows. It was the biggest upset in NFL history at the time and helped solidify the current structure of the league. So there was a lot of money to be made for sure.

As to Serena and the Williams sisters..they've been a dominant force in women's tennis for a long time. I'm sure Serena was the favorite going in. Fixing the match doesn't seem to make any sense here.

Yes, Pete Rose bet on baseball, yes the 1919 World Series was fixed, yes their have been point shaving scandals in college basketball (see CCNY in the 50's and Boston College in the 70's). But most big time sports aren't fixed; it's just too hard to keep quiet. And at the pro level the money is too big now. No NFL player, or MLB player is going to fix a game and put his future on the line. When he's all ready making millions. You just can't get enough action on a game to justify the risk of paying off a player millions.

Now on the other hand. College sports, where the players are essentially unpaid, and are starting to feel under compensated.....I'll let you draw your own conclusions. Especially college basketball where a team doesn't even have to lose just fail to cover the spread....hmmm

Quote: champ724

i am not smarter it was clear to anyone that watched serena play more than 10 times.

You're contradicting yourself. How is it possible that this was clear to anyone, yet no one was putting down max bets for her to win. It's as if you're saying Serena Williams and Warren Buffet care about earning more money, but no one else in the world who was watching that tennis match does, as it was so clear to them what was going on and they could have bet against her

Turnarounds like that happen all the time in women's tennis. No fix, just lulz @ conspiracy theorists.

I've heard a lot of people claim that sports is fixed and it's often because the favorite (against the spread) loses so often. The books know that many players will go too far in their willingness to bet the favorite and they purposely adjust the line to account for this which makes the favorite a worse bet than it should be. Books will often accept an out of proportion amount of money on the favorite therefore gambling themselves although their edge is still there. Its harder to see but I also believe the moneyline is out of whack so that the favorite is a worse bet than it should be. Recently, I believe it was on National Geo there was a reality tv show about some local New York bookies and on one NCAAB game they accepted way, way more money on the favorite than the dog and they won the bet but if they had lost it it was going to seriously affect their business adversely.

Quote: champ724

adjucting her socks wouldn't signal anything. she knew she could easily beat safanova in the 3rd set so she had to do something noticeable to signal that she had it in the bag n she was goin to tank.

So not only was this a signal, it was an improvised signal that her mystery partner would have to spontaneously interpret with total certainty before placing a bet on bovada.

Even though it's really hard to spontaneously place a bet on bovada and you might not get paid, which is why you yourself, privy to the exact same tip, chose not to act on it.

All of this, to win an amount of money that Serena Williams can make by selling one of her used rackets, appearing at a party or wearing clothes from a particular designer. Basically, she can't breathe without making that much money. But why do that, when you can risk prison, and destroying all of that earning potential for no reason?