Pacquiao vs Bradley II, April 12th(USA time)

Any insight or opinions on this prime time boxing event? I'm thinking about a trip over to Manila, staying at the Hyatt which has a casino(but no sports book) and there are rumored craps tables at the newer "resort" near the airport as well as the Hyatt(some negative reports on the rules at the Hyatt such as "bar 3" on the don't pass and place bet payoffs being lower than the norm). I'm also a cock fight bettor and Manila might be the cock fight capital of the world. As some know, Manny Pacquiao is a Philippine congressman and national hero, even after losing a few fights in recent years. It seems like it would be fun to be among down to earth Filipino's for one of his fights. I'm sure it's pay per view in the USA, but Asians find a way around that. The excitement of a boxing event of this type combined with the roar of the crowd at a major cock fighting event can't be matched. It's a once in a lifetime opportunity. Please feel free to join me or discourage me. That's why I posted it here. I'm checking on the flights and craps rules now. Any insight on that also very welcome. (Yes I know Manila is dangerous, dirty, corrupt, and full of scams, but the women, OMG the women are so very sweet)


The current line has Pacquiao as the boxing favorite at -215, meaning you have to risk $215 to win a $100.

Undefeated two-division world champion Bradley is this fights underdog, that has value at +182, meaning that for every $100 bet you will win $182. Pacquiao vs. Bradley II -

Total Rounds Betting

The opening line on Pacquiao vs. Bradley rematch has the Over/Under at 10.5 rounds with the Over at -240 Odds

The fight is scheduled for 12 rounds. The current total rounds betting line has the Over 10.5 Rounds ( -270 ).

Meaning that if you think the fight is going to go to at least 10.5 rounds for you to win your bet. You will need to bet $270 to win $100.

The Under 10.5 Rounds ( +220 ), meaning you need to risk $100 to win $220.

You're going to go to the Phillipines and root for Bradley? Don't be loud!

Quote: NokTang

(Yes I know Manila is dangerous, dirty, corrupt, and full of scams, but the women, OMG the women are so very sweet)

How corrupt are the boxing umpires?

I do like Bradley in the fight, I actually thought the last one was very close and didn't consider the decision corrupt/wrong but I'm no "expert". I'd have to bet it online which I've never done. I don't know of any legal sportsbook in Thailand and/or the Philippines. There is one outlet in Laos(SavenVegas) but they are unable to answer questions and it's a long way from home. My google search yielded another new casino property near the airport, five star with craps and the rules seem normal. Air however is not exactly on any promotions at the moment. This is high season for traveling as school out in Thailand. So back at it.

I am going to the fight in Vegas and still believe Manny will win this one. I believe the fight will be very equal, but that said knowing boxing, Bradley will have to dominate most rounds to get the decision. Fair or not, the judges know how bad the last fight looked for boxing and will have a bias for Manny. Also I believe Manny really knows he needs this to have any chance at the payday against Floyd. As for betting it, the odds are higher than they should be and much of what I am saying is probably factored into the number. I don't see any reason to bet much on the fight and just want to enjoy a good fight.

Quote: Boz

I am going to the fight in Vegas and still believe Manny will win this one. I believe the fight will be very equal, but that said knowing boxing, Bradley will have to dominate most rounds to get the decision. Fair or not, the judges know how bad the last fight looked for boxing and will have a bias for Manny. Also I believe Manny really knows he needs this to have any chance at the payday against Floyd. As for betting it, the odds are higher than they should be and much of what I am saying is probably factored into the number. I don't see any reason to bet much on the fight and just want to enjoy a good fight.

+1

Quote: Boz

I am going to the fight in Vegas and still believe Manny will win this one. I believe the fight will be very equal, but that said knowing boxing, Bradley will have to dominate most rounds to get the decision. Fair or not, the judges know how bad the last fight looked for boxing and will have a bias for Manny.

You mean the way that one of the judges who thought Bradley won the first fight also thought that Mayweather-Alvarez was a draw?

Hoewver, this time, they are having two non-Nevada judges, which is a departure from the usual "two judges from Nevada" policy used for Vegas fights.

The question is, if Pacquiao wins, does this reopen the door for a fight against Mayweather, especially as Mayweather knows just how out-of-touch one of the first fight's judges could be?

There still won't be a Mayweather Pacquiao fight. There is a "cold war" between the both of their promotion companies and between HBO and Showtime.

Quote: Boz

I am going to the fight in Vegas and still believe Manny will win this one. I believe the fight will be very equal, but that said knowing boxing, Bradley will have to dominate most rounds to get the decision. Fair or not, the judges know how bad the last fight looked for boxing and will have a bias for Manny. Also I believe Manny really knows he needs this to have any chance at the payday against Floyd. As for betting it, the odds are higher than they should be and much of what I am saying is probably factored into the number. I don't see any reason to bet much on the fight and just want to enjoy a good fight.

A fight that was really bad for boxing was the first Holyfied/Lewis fight. Lewis completely dominated Holdyfield but lost the decision. I watched that fight in the Loser's Lounge at the Riverside in Laughlin. When the decision was announced the most surprised people in the house were the Holyfield bettors.

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Loser's Lounge at the Riverside in Laughlin.

Ha ha ha ha ...... I remember that place it was a club at night. I took a few different dates/ GFs there, it was easy to sneak in girls under 21. That place got fairly wild fri sat night. It was like a different world from the casino. The casino would be filled with old ladies and a few young rocker skanks mixed in. The kind YOU might think about after half a bottle. Then you would walk in to the LL and it seemed like every hot board chick from the surrounding places who couldn't make it to Vegas, swarmed the LL, they out numbered the guys 2 to 1.

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There still won't be a Mayweather Pacquiao fight. There is a "cold war" between the both of their promotion companies and between HBO and Showtime.

I still believe it is possible because there is just too much money left on the table if it doesn't. Money makes strange bedfellows at times and this one would break all records. Possible $100 Million for Floyd and $50 Million for Manny.

NokTang, if you go I would strongly discourage you from doing anything dangerous with cocks, that stuff is sinful my man.

Quote: 1arrowheaddr

There still won't be a Mayweather Pacquiao fight. There is a "cold war" between the both of their promotion companies and between HBO and Showtime.

I thought the problem had something to do with drug testing. Or was that just a smokescreen to cover up some political problem?

Quote: ThatDonGuy

I thought the problem had something to do with drug testing. Or was that just a smokescreen to cover up some political problem?

Pacquiao is afraid of needles. Mayweather wanted random drug testing. However, as you say that may have just been an excuse to stop the talks. I don't think Mayweather has a promotion company, he does it himself.

I think I found a sportsbook in Manila. Still looking for reasonable airfare. Cock Fights are a big event on Sunday's and one can imagine the excitement at said venues especially if Pacquiao wins. The roar at a cock fight arena can't be matched any place on earth.

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NokTang, if you go I would strongly discourage you from doing anything dangerous with cocks, that stuff is sinful my man.

Well, as most know, now all, bareback is a way of life in the Philippines. Nothing a good dose of Zithromax doesn't cure so all is well thanks.

Quote: FrGamble

NokTang, if you go I would strongly discourage you from doing anything dangerous with cocks, that stuff is sinful my man.

Oh come on seriously? I may have had one of my posts (jokes) taken down, in fear it may offend you. I argued that it would have only been offensive towards a bigot. I think I won the argument and could have re posted it. Out of respect, I left it off. I'm not so sure now that was necessary. I still think you authority figures should be held to a higher standard. If not you, then who? This is beyond basic humor especially for a god fearing man, let alone a priest. Sorry but this is strike 2 in my book thank god Jesus/god gives unlimited strikes .

Quote: NokTang

Any insight or opinions on this prime time boxing event? I'm thinking about a trip over to Manila, staying at the Hyatt

I think that you should go, you have talked about how much you love the Philippines for years and I think that you would have a great time. Stay at the Hyatt, win or lose a few bucks on the fight, and see a couple of cockfights. How long are you thinking about staying?

Quote: Lucky33

I think that you should go, you have talked about how much you love the Philippines for years and I think that you would have a great time. Stay at the Hyatt, win or lose a few bucks on the fight, and see a couple of cockfights. How long are you thinking about staying?

About ten days. I search the airfares night and day. Unfortunately they remain out of my reach(something close to $800.usd RT from Bangkok). I'd rather spend the money gambling than fine dining on an airplane. I'll go check AirAsia now connecting in Singapore or KL. KL should be reasonable all things considered tourism wise with the lost jumbo jet. May those victims R.I.P..

Quote: AxelWolf

Oh come on seriously? I may have had one of my posts (jokes) taken down, in fear it may offend you. I argued that it would have only been offensive towards a bigot. I think I won the argument and could have re posted it. Out of respect, I left it off. I'm not so sure now that was necessary. I still think you authority figures should be held to a higher standard. If not you, then who? This is beyond basic humor especially for a god fearing man, let alone a priest. Sorry but this is strike 2 in my book thank god Jesus/god gives unlimited strikes .

Not sure who or what you are on about mate, but a bit of humor is always welcome on my discussions. Anyone who's been in Asia knows full well the inuendeos and we don't expand on them so that is that. I might add that after an afternoon at the cock pit a man is full of gusto and beer and ready for shall we say action.

Quote: NokTang

I search the airfares night and day. Unfortunately they remain out of my reach(something close to $800.usd RT from Bangkok).

Tiger Air is showing $275 US round trip, I paid less than $700 US for a business class ticket Bangkok-Manila on Philippine Air during the time period you are posting about.

Quote: NokTang

Not sure who or what you are on about mate, but a bit of humor is always welcome on my discussions. Anyone who's been in Asia knows full well the inuendeos and we don't expand on them so that is that. I might add that after an afternoon at the cock pit a man is full of gusto and beer and ready for shall we say action.

Yes humor is great, I love a dirty joke or play on words, even ones that involve private body parts. I just don't think its appropriate talk coming from a PRIEST.

Forgive me for trying to find an easy way to warn him that both his proposed activities are sinful and dangerous. You know Alex besides my handle, I'm not wearing my clerics electronically for all to see. There is advantage to anonymity that might allow me to speak a word of truth to someone without writing it off because it's what the priest would say or how the priest would say it. Rest assured I wouldn't say that in person to him, but I doubt very much that me and him travel in the same circles. Thank God I get to say anything at all to warn him.

Noktang is about as far from being a priest as you can get, what are you guys talking about?

Quote: FrGamble

Forgive me for trying to find an easy way to warn him that both his proposed activities are sinful and dangerous. You know Alex besides my handle, I'm not wearing my clerics electronically for all to see. There is advantage to anonymity that might allow me to speak a word of truth to someone without writing it off because it's what the priest would say or how the priest would say it. Rest assured I wouldn't say that in person to him, but I doubt very much that me and him travel in the same circles. Thank God I get to say anything at all to warn him.

So you are kind of like a sheriff as long as he takes off hos badge and gun he can now fight? I didn't realize a man of god could say or do anything as long as some anonymity is cast. I have no problem with the warning at all, Warn a way good father, warn away. We both know the context of your warning was a play on words when using the word cock, I was a bit shocked. Kind of like when you are a kid and you hear you teacher use the F word or smoking or even having sex with students.

Quote: FrGamble

Forgive me for trying to find an easy way to warn him that both his proposed activities are sinful and dangerous. .

Both?

1. Gambling in a third world casino...

2. Attending, enjoying, and gambling on cock fights where the animals are fighting to death....

3. Unprotected sex with complete strangers......

Isn't that three?

Greetings. I ended up at the NagaWorld Casino in Phnom Penh.

They have just opened a sportsbook linked to an internet outfit, all "legal". A very nice setting up on the second floor, nice seating and new TV's all over the place. Construction not done but as with most Cambodians, the writers were all kind and interested in me(they being female, me being a rich barang). Cambodians like to learn, something lost on many cultures and in many places.

So, they have things listed in I guess the UK format:

Manny "1.50"
Bradley "2.65"

This contrast with the American way of saying "200" for example for Manny meaning you win $100.usd for each $200usd wagered.

In the above example, based merely on a hunch, I'm betting Bradley at what we on here call "+165". When I left Bangkok, it was "+180". I don't know if the vig adjusted for a remote location, don't care, no choice at this point.

They also have several prop bets, round by round winner, go the distance, etc..

Good luck. It's dangerous out there.

Quote: NokTang

So, they have things listed in I guess the UK format:

Manny "1.50"
Bradley "2.65"

This contrast with the American way of saying "200" for example for Manny meaning you win $100.usd for each $200usd wagered.

You mean -200, right?

Quote: AxiomOfChoice

You mean -200, right?

Yes, I mean in most sportsbooks I think of Manny being -200. which as you know, wager 200 to win 100. Hopefully that will be a moot point as Bradley will win at +165(for my $1000.usd wagered).

I got to meet the sportsbook manager. He's an American from Las Vegas, formerly at Caesars. Nice guy,explained how they were just rolling it all out, mostly soccer wagers now but they will have baseball and the NBA soon as well as be set up for the fall, college and professional football. Big money is wagered here at Baccarat and they assume good action will come on the sports. Sub contracted out for now but who knows in the future. $25,000.usd "limit" now on the soccer.

Pacquio is pushing 36. Prime age is 28. He hasn't knocked anyone out in 4 or five years. He's distracted by politics. His motor skills (speed) are in decline. He is no longer as good as his reputation makes him out to be.

Quote: NokTang

Greetings. I ended up at the NagaWorld Casino in Phnom Penh.

They have just opened a sportsbook linked to an internet outfit, all "legal". A very nice setting up on the second floor, nice seating and new TV's all over the place.

I'm glad to hear that you made it to Phnom Penh even if you did miss your 'Lifetime opportunity' as you described how a trip to the Philippines to see the Pacquiao fight and attend a major cockfight would be. Have a good trip and good luck with your bet.