Deconstructing Jackpot Party
Quote: HotBlondeThe Atkins slot machine is your machine? That's so funny if that's true cuz I've played that game. Boy, you really are a celebrity, aren't you? :)
And with the Atkins diet you can win when you lose.
Quote: AyecarumbaIs it possible that a three (or more) symbol sequence on each reel was never revealed during your session?.
It seems to me that one could rule this out with very, very high confidence in a fairly small sample size. Once you've chained together what could potentially be one complete reel, a single unrevealed three symbol "puzzle piece" is impossible. You'd need a minimum of two consecutive unrevealed pieces. For instance, the sequence GYBCRW, composed of observed pieces GYB, YBC, BCR, and CRW can't be broken by any single unobserved piece. The sequence could actually be GYBCRYBCRW, but that would imply that at least two consecutive pieces (CRY and RYB) were never revealed during the session. A signature of this being the case would be a disproportionately high frequency of occurrence of two consecutive "puzzle pieces" in the hypothesized chain -- YBC and BCR in my example.
All that assumes no symbol appears twice in a single 3-symbol sequence, which appears to be the case on this machine.
Quote: DJTeddyBearWhat's to say that there isn't a duplication of the 8 stops between the identical sequences, or the 21 stops the other way. That would skew your results.
This again seems like it would be easy to identify. Do each of the 8 stops occur, on average, n-times as often as each of the 21? Or vice versa?
FWIW, I tried pausing the reels in mid-spin on the youtube video. Some of the three symbol sequences I saw mid-spin don't occur on the reel stripping table Wizard created. So, it doesn't look like we could simply play two or three spins, watch in slow motion, and get the whole chart :(. That's probably old news though.
Quote: brindleThe only part i disagree with is the last line about not wanting to embarrass anyone. I think such poor paytables should be shouted from the rooftops (or at least a big billboard at the airport) showing suckers what a rip-off Wynn slots are for gamblers.
For one thing, I'm sure the other properties on par with the Wynn, like the Venetian and Bellagio, are just as bad. Secondly, based on comments in this thread, I'm concerned that readers don't understand why I wrote the page. It was to show how video slots work.
Quote: IbeatyouracesWhat I think might be interesting and a challenge would be to do the same thing the Wiz did but on a macine with all "stacked" symbols and wilds.
That would not be trivial if there were more symbols in a stack than the height of the screen. For example, 6 consecutive lions and 4 rows. It would take a fairly large sampling to show beyond a doubt that there were six lions in the stack.
Quote: WizardThat would not be trivial if there were more symbols in a stack than the height of the screen. For example, 6 consecutive lions and 4 rows. It would take a fairly large sampling to show beyond a doubt that there were six lions in the stack.
Indeed, newer slots have virtual reels that may be dozens or hundreds of symbols long. Trying to sample that would take far too long.
Quote: WizardAs far as I know, until now there has never been a published example of an actual video slot machine. Before this point I tried to explain the concepts behind video slots with my analysis of my own slot machine Atkins Diet. However, I've always preferred to have an actual machine to use as an example that is out there on the casino floors.
What has always help me back is that the slot makers don't show you the entire reel strips. You can only see three frames at a time. However, it occurred to me that if I played enough I could piece together the entire reel strips, enabling me to do an exact analysis. So that is what I did.
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Thought it would be best to get the teacher's attention....
Yes ... I finally can get a long-awaited question answered! What would the standard deviation be on this specific video slot game? In your opinion, what would the range be on most other video slots? Jackpot Party has a Facebook app. Do you think the online versions are the same as those found in the casinos? If so, then other games can be "solved" as well. Well done Wizard!!!
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What did your brother in law charge you to record patterns from video?
Quote: nmacgre
What did your brother in law charge you to record patterns from video?
At first I thought this said "why"...lol
Because it's boring as hell work, that's why! :)
Quote: nmacgreWhat did your brother in law charge you to record patterns from video?
Most of the time he does it for free, because I do other favors for him. Other times I've paid about $20 an hour for boring tasks such as this. I don't remember exactly.
Quote: 13Doc13I imagine a game like WMS Spinning Streak (John Wayne in particular) would be much more difficult to dissect due to the added feature. Would you agree?
To calculate the return by enumerating every possibility, definitely. Many rounds of simulation once the reel set was determined would probably be easier, but still no picnic. Also this game would be a real pain in the ass because during Bonus Spins contains the dreaded phase "An alternate set of reels is used." This means you need to collect data from hundreds of Bonus Games alone to be able to accurately calculate the payback.
