Interesting Scenario
Two males were playing a machine, alternating who spun the machine. They hailed a young lady walking by and invited her to take a spin for them. The lady obliged, hit nothing and continued on her way. The males resumed their alterating until another lady walked by. They extended the same invite, and this lady also obliged. Three clicks of the reel later, the lady hits a $1,270 taxable j/p.
What happens next?
Quote: FaceThis happened today at my place, thought it was interesting.
Two males were playing a machine, alternating who spun the machine. They hailed a young lady walking by and invited her to take a spin for them. The lady obliged, hit nothing and continued on her way. The males resumed their alterating until another lady walked by. They extended the same invite, and this lady also obliged. Three clicks of the reel later, the lady hits a $1,270 taxable j/p.
What happens next?
What happens?
One of the males signs the signer and they tip the lady $100.
If your place is in Nevada, the money belongs to whoever put the coin in the machine and does not belong to whoever happened to press the little red button. If an attractive young female who happened to be passing by agrees to spin the machine on their behalf that is nice of her but it gives her no right to the jackpot. The guys were probably doing it as a conversational come on hoping that the young ladies would linger and chat a bit but absent any prior agreement regarding compensation she gets no legal interest in the payoff.Quote: FaceThis happened today at my place,
Now as a matter of practicality, I would imagine they bought her a drink or something at the very least, but its their money, not hers.
Quote: Face
What happens next?
They get the money and put it all back in the machine, what else.
Quote: EvenBobThey get the money and put it all back in the machine, what else.
Lol, well done sir. =)
Quote: buzzpaffShe collects her jackpot and thanks the gentleman for their generous deed !
buzz is the closest and therefore the winner! I'm NY, not NV, and for some reason the j/p goes to whomever pushes the button. These guys in their attempt to be social and friendly winded up screwing themselves out of a grand. In reality, the woman claimed the j/p and had the taxes taken, then surrendered the rest to the males who 'threw her a couple of bucks'. Had she been a little more ballsy, she could've taken the lot and they would have had no recourse.
I just thought this strange and therefore of interest. I mean, had you purchased a scratch off and then invited the cutie in line to, ahem, scratch your ticket, and she won, I'd think that ticket and the resulting winnings would still belong to you. You chose the ticket, paid the money, and claimed ownership; I wonder why the slot machine was held in a different regard.
Moral: Don't be friendly in NY. You've got a friend in PA, maybe try going there.
Quote: FaceThese guys in their attempt to be social and friendly winded up screwing themselves out of a grand. .
They wouldn't have hit it if she hadn't played, if thats what you man.
Quote: JIMMYFOCKERWhat happens?
One of the males signs the signer and they tip the lady $100.[/q
That's what makes the most sense and is what should have happened. For the "couple of bucks" thrown at her, I can't imagine why she would go through the claiming process.
(Not to mean that straight men don't play slot machines, but two people playing a slot machine together are usually a couple)
You may have stumbled upon the answer without realizing it.Quote: FaceI mean, had you purchased a scratch off and then invited the cutie in line to, ahem, scratch your ticket, and she won, I'd think that ticket and the resulting winnings would still belong to you. You chose the ticket, paid the money, and claimed ownership; I wonder why the slot machine was held in a different regard.
First of all, there is a VERY INCORRECT assumption in the line quoted.
Scratch-offs are bearer instruments. Whoever presents the winning ticket gets the prize.
In NY, don't casino fall under the jurisdiction of the Lottery Commission? They may be applying the same 'bearer' logic to pressing the spin button. After all, in NY, slot machines are Class II - I.E. Video Lottery Terminals.
Quote: FinsRuleWhat are two straight dudes doing alternating spins on a slot machine? Man up and play table games!
(Not to mean that straight men don't play slot machines, but two people playing a slot machine together are usually a couple)
HEAR HEAR! Real men play slots only when they have free play. The real men are playing VP if they play machines!
Quote: JIMMYFOCKERFor the "couple of bucks" thrown at her, I can't imagine why she would go through the claiming process.
She had to. If she did not claim it, the jackpot would be forfeit and NO ONE gets anything. I have to fill out papers all the time for free, I'd surely do it for money no matter the amount.
Quote: DJTeddyBearYou may have stumbled upon the answer without realizing it.
First of all, there is a VERY INCORRECT assumption in the line quoted.
Scratch-offs are bearer instruments. Whoever presents the winning ticket gets the prize.
In NY, don't casino fall under the jurisdiction of the Lottery Commission? They may be applying the same 'bearer' logic to pressing the spin button. After all, in NY, slot machines are Class II - I.E. Video Lottery Terminals.
Negative. These were Class III. Tribal, if that clears up confusion. Must be some legal b.s. that makes no sense. The law obviously states differently, but it was 'their' machine, and they paid, and they're taking the risk, it should matter not who pushes the button. If they had left the machine with their money still inside and someone played on it, we still consider that 'their money' and would try to get it back (although legally it's 'abandoned') I dunno, just seems kind of ass backwards to me. Perhaps, as EvenBob stated, the j/p never would have hit had it been the men because she pushed the button at just the right time, whereas they may not have. But still, seems kinda hinky.
Quote: buzzpaffWhat if that young lady had been 20 years old ? I assume the casino would not have been allowed to pay out the jackpot ??
Indeed. Anyone who is in any way 'not allowed' to play cannot claim anything. We actually just had a guy last week who was a voluntary exclusion (he requested to be forbidden to play for personal reasons) and somehow made his way inside undetected. He ended up hitting a j/p for $8,000, was approached and found to be a voluntary, and was subsequently issed an involuntary exclusion and denied his claim. Thems the brakes.
Quote: FaceShe had to. If she did not claim it, the jackpot would be forfeit and NO ONE gets anything. I have to fill out papers all the time for free, I'd surely do it for money no matter the amount.
Why could not the guys just say that one of them pushed the button?
Edit: Oh, is it because of the video? Is it usual for the casino to review the video before paying out?
Quote: VegasVic14The jackpot goes to whoever pushed the button (as long as this person is a legal player). It does not matter who put the money in. Surveillance video will confirm who is the actual winner. If this were a taxable win, the law says the person who made the play is responsible for taxes on the win. Other people involved cannot say the win is theirs.
So if I sneak up behind you and push the button on your machine, I get to keep any jackpot if it hits?
Quote: MathExtremistSo if I sneak up behind you and push the button on your machine, I get to keep any jackpot if it hits?
I think in that scenario, you've stolen the cost of the spin from the player. He had $80 in credit, then you leaned in, then he had $75 in credit and the wheels were spinning. Maybe (hopefully?) that'd make you an illegal player for the purpose of distributing the jackpot?
Quote: MathExtremistSo if I sneak up behind you and push the button on your machine, I get to keep any jackpot if it hits?
What if I walk up to a machine that already has coins in? If I hit the button, then find out a few minutes later that they belonged to an old lady who took a bathroom break, does the jackpot belong to me?
Quote: weaselmanWhy could not the guys just say that one of them pushed the button?
Edit: Oh, is it because of the video? Is it usual for the casino to review the video before paying out?
Yessir. In most cases of two players playing, they don't realize NYS's rule of 'he who pushes must claim' and there's often some fumbling of words or an outright discussion of who should claim it. I wouldn't say it's terribly often, but it is not unusual for Slots to request a review of coverage to determine who exactly pushed for the winning spin. I don't really think there's a scam that could be pulled off, other than the winner not wanting it on their taxes, which doesn't really sound scammy to me. I suppose it's just one of those things that's 'a rule' so the casino goes to some length to stay within the law.
Quote: AyecarumbaWhat if I walk up to a machine that already has coins in? If I hit the button, then find out a few minutes later that they belonged to an old lady who took a bathroom break, does the jackpot belong to me?
Quote: MathExtremistSo if I sneak up behind you and push the button on your machine, I get to keep any jackpot if it hits?
An earlier conversation made me think of these scenarios (well, not ME's, but similar =p). If someone left coin in, it is our policy to attempt to get the coin returned to the rightful patron, usually by simply asking and maybe providing a sob story. There's kind of a grey area seperating truely abandoned credits and theft of credits. If we see someone hawking a patron and swoop in right after they left, often the threat of legal repercussion gets the credits back. If some time passes where the credits are left abandoned, they're simply abandoned and I've seen patrons refuse restitution with no recourse taken. If the credits were deamed truely abandoned and a j/p hit, I suspect the j/p would belong to the taker of credits and Slots would again try for a simple restitution of the original credits left. If it fell dead into the area of theft, or even if someone bent down to reach in a purse and someone reached over and nailed a j/p, I honestly don't know what would happen. I doubt a scoundrel would be awarded the j/p, but due to the 'button pusher rule', I kind of assume the j/p would be voided outright.
