This slot doesn't say Size of coin pile is for entertainment purposes
September 21st, 2025 at 3:17:29 PM
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Or something to that effect.
Ying Da:
I went through all the pages of the help menu.
Yet the size of the coin pile does not affect the frequency of the Bonus.
Do manufacturers no longer have to put in that disclaimer?
Ying Da:
I went through all the pages of the help menu.
Yet the size of the coin pile does not affect the frequency of the Bonus.
Do manufacturers no longer have to put in that disclaimer?
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice).
Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
September 21st, 2025 at 9:52:20 PM
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There are a lot of fake persistent State machines out there; however, I wouldn't be so rigid as to believe that there isn't possibly any value in the building up on certain machines that get fat/big/progress. Sure, the symbols/coins/Jewels or whatever the hell might not indicate when they are going to hit, but that doesn't mean there isn't built up equity as the animation would indicate when you do hit. I would never count on anything like that for +EV, however given a plus EV promotion of some kind where everything seems to be equal, I do believe I might target a fat/big/progressed seemingly fake persistent machine.
We all know that how much somebody played, won or lost previously on a machine should not affect future payouts on any given spin; however, one can go do their research on the Indiana Jones series. I found this was not true with those machines. What someone previously played and lost on a particular machine definitely affected how much you would win on the next bonus round.
Unless I can see a complete breakdown and par sheet of how a machine actually works, I'm not going to assume anything. Obviously, I'm always going to target something that I know for a fact is a persistent state situation whenever possible.
We all know that how much somebody played, won or lost previously on a machine should not affect future payouts on any given spin; however, one can go do their research on the Indiana Jones series. I found this was not true with those machines. What someone previously played and lost on a particular machine definitely affected how much you would win on the next bonus round.
Unless I can see a complete breakdown and par sheet of how a machine actually works, I'm not going to assume anything. Obviously, I'm always going to target something that I know for a fact is a persistent state situation whenever possible.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
March 30th, 2026 at 1:11:49 AM
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The "for entertainment purposes only" disclaimer was required by gaming regulators when fake persistent-state meters first started appearing, because the animations were genuinely misleading players into thinking accumulated credits were at risk. Nevada and other states pushed back on certain implementations.
The reason you see less of it now isn't because the machines got more honest — it's because the visual design evolved. Manufacturers learned to make the meters look more like ambient animations (coin piles floating, energy bars, etc.) rather than explicit "fill-up" progress bars that clearly implied "collect when full." The regulatory line got blurry enough that many didn't require the disclaimer.
The underlying reality hasn't changed: on most of these machines, the coin pile, energy bar, or whatever cosmetic animation is not tied to game math. The RNG resolves independently on every spin. This is documentable in game certification filings for specific machines if you want the authoritative answer for a given title.
The previous post makes a fair point about jackpot contribution equity being separate from fake-state animations. That's real — on link machines with must-hit-by progressives, the contribution math means a jackpot that's been growing is genuinely closer to its trigger point. But that's a different mechanic from the cosmetic meters, even if they happen to be on the same machine.
The reason you see less of it now isn't because the machines got more honest — it's because the visual design evolved. Manufacturers learned to make the meters look more like ambient animations (coin piles floating, energy bars, etc.) rather than explicit "fill-up" progress bars that clearly implied "collect when full." The regulatory line got blurry enough that many didn't require the disclaimer.
The underlying reality hasn't changed: on most of these machines, the coin pile, energy bar, or whatever cosmetic animation is not tied to game math. The RNG resolves independently on every spin. This is documentable in game certification filings for specific machines if you want the authoritative answer for a given title.
The previous post makes a fair point about jackpot contribution equity being separate from fake-state animations. That's real — on link machines with must-hit-by progressives, the contribution math means a jackpot that's been growing is genuinely closer to its trigger point. But that's a different mechanic from the cosmetic meters, even if they happen to be on the same machine.
