Self Discipline to be a Slot Machine Pro
Counting cards, you usually don’t grind for more than a few hours in one place and then you get out and hit a different casino and have a change of environment. You don’t really have temptations to gamble on something that’s negative EV, because you have to play perfect basic strategy no matter what and stick to your guns.
Where as the slot grind, you have temptations all the time to take a play early because you get bored or because you went on a bad down swing, and then you see a real high progressive that “might be worth a shot” , etc
Anyone recommend any books to master self discipline? I keep going tilt at times and taking a gamble on non ap games and do not want to do that anymore, because it can cause some serious damage to your bank roll. I started as a regular recreational gambler around 2017 or so, then found how to beat slots around 2019, but I still go tilt at times and want to prevent that permanently. Some of the guys I know who do slots AP, started as pro poker players so they have had discipline instilled in them. So their discipline what all set when they got in the slot game. So, what books is recommended for a slot hustler to master discipline? If don’t want to disclose here can PM me as well. I will never give up info on a play by the way, I don’t know how slot hustlers do that to this day.
Quote: Roberto21Your discipline is to look at all the tweakers and homeless people panhandling outside the casino and remind yourself “you don’t wanna be like them”.
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When I played at South Point, I'd walk through the horse book and silently pray I didn't end up like that.
To the OP, best of luck with your problem. Too many internet APs wind up at Sportsman's Manor or in their car.
These are Stoic philosophers, and when you are a Stoic you strive to always do what is rationally the best thing, rather than the things your emotions are telling you might feel better right now. Concentrating on EV rather than the feeling of a win allows one to rank +EV opportunities objectively, and this necessarily distinguishes them from the -EV plays that offer only a feeling as a benefit.
Now of course that idea of "the best thing" can also be subjective. But the one-dimensional goal of AP, making money, helps us with that too. We are there to make money! Thus the only subjective things we have to consider are "At what cost?"- our health and safety in the gaming environment, the risks of wanting too much too soon and getting banned, and lost opportunity cost- we have limited time, could we be doing something better with it?
I am not suggesting anyone need become a Stoic outside of the casino. It has its drawbacks too. For one, chicks don't like it. You can ask a woman whether she would prefer a guy who gets so emotional he hits her on rare occasions, or one who is as hard as a rock and as cold as ice in all matters in the relationship, and I know what she will say. But I also know the truth. Both philosophical Stoicism and AP are very, very male purviews, and that is not coincidental.
Perhaps it will help you to learn a few other games. Walk into a casino, no +EV slots, but there might be +EV something else. It also makes you look better on camera. Instead of being the guy running around checking all the machines, you can be the guy who sometimes plays a slot machine, sometimes is doing something else, and it's all +EV but the people watching you won't necessarily know that.
Gambling diaries are a must but I fail to see YouTubers explaining any of that in their constant slot play. They might show a running total of how they are doing from video to video, but they don't show how a bunch of winning sessions and tax forms offset a bunch of losing sessions for tax purposes.
The legendary gambling expert "Professor Slots", very likely posting on this board under the sobriquet "slotenthusiast" so no negative comments, took a brief interview on a local Colorado news and used it to rebuild his scam course empire. As many as 10 people (according to him, so whatever that is worth), have signed up at somewhere between $477/2 and $477 per person.
The way to succeed is to not take the risk. Make up some nonsense, sell it to people, and demand other people give you a cut if they win with your methods. If they lose, they either did it wrong or the casino changed the "odds" to keep them from winning. They need to try again until they do win. And when that happens, they owe you a huge donation for everything you have done for them.
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Where as the slot grind, you have temptations all the time to take a play early because you get bored or because you went on a bad down swing, and then you see a real high progressive that “might be worth a shot” , etc
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Are you there to play, or are you there to execute a procedure with a positive expected value?
If you're getting bored and contemplating in engaging in activities that do not align with your goals, leave. Clearly you've exhausted the ready opportunities; there is no sense sitting in the orchard waiting for the plums to ripen.
Quote: MathNeverLiesPeople will always post how to beat slots, etc. But have never seen a post about the self discipline needed to be a slot machine pro. Grinding slots is a different grind, because you can legit be grinding 12 or more hours a day walking around a casino all day. That’s not just physically exhausting, but it’s very mentally exhausting because how boring it can get just walking around all day looking for plays.
Counting cards, you usually don’t grind for more than a few hours in one place and then you get out and hit a different casino and have a change of environment. You don’t really have temptations to gamble on something that’s negative EV, because you have to play perfect basic strategy no matter what and stick to your guns.
Where as the slot grind, you have temptations all the time to take a play early because you get bored or because you went on a bad down swing, and then you see a real high progressive that “might be worth a shot” , etc
Anyone recommend any books to master self discipline? I keep going tilt at times and taking a gamble on non ap games and do not want to do that anymore, because it can cause some serious damage to your bank roll. I started as a regular recreational gambler around 2017 or so, then found how to beat slots around 2019, but I still go tilt at times and want to prevent that permanently. Some of the guys I know who do slots AP, started as pro poker players so they have had discipline instilled in them. So their discipline what all set when they got in the slot game. So, what books is recommended for a slot hustler to master discipline? If don’t want to disclose here can PM me as well. I will never give up info on a play by the way, I don’t know how slot hustlers do that to this day.
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Excellent post and REALLY encapsulates what Posters were trying to drill into my head around 2018/2019 when I claimed I wanted to be an AP. Posters said something like,"Are you SURE you want to be an AP? Being an AP is VERY serious business and MANY APs haven't seen their children or their spouses in YEARS. An AP said that the LAST time he saw his Daughter, she was TWO. She's now 12 and hasn't seen her Dad in TEN years due to him being an AP. So REALLY think hard if you REALLY want to be an AP because APs go YEARS without seeing their Families." 💡
Quote: billryanThe AP didn't see his kid for ten years because he is a lousy father. Unless he was in prison, there is no excuse for his behavior. Just because an AP screws over his family doesn't mean every AP will do so.
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You need to know how much of a witch the mother is before you can make that determination. Not impossible for one to interfere with visitation and joint custody for 10 years.
A true AP has other hobbies. Because you can get burnt out if you just AP 365 days out of the year. In my experience the people in my network all make sure they coordinate family time as well.
Quote: MathNeverLiesI love my job as a slot pro. I’m not tilting everyday or anything like that. I only tilt maybe 3-4 times a year max, so I am doing very good. I can just be hard on myself and am a perfectionist with certain things.
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The longer you are a pro, the less interesting gambling becomes. I don't find any casino gaming fun anymore so no temptation to play games without an edge.
Quote: MathNeverLiesAnyone recommend any books to master self discipline?
One of the long James Joyce novels. If you can make it through one of those, you will have more self-discipline than anyone you will ever meet.
This family stuff you reiterated is absolute total hogwash. See Bill's post. Also, unless there's a specific play that isn't going to last long, Advantage Players usually have the freedom to pick their own highly flexible schedule.Quote: NathanQuote: MathNeverLiesPeople will always post how to beat slots, etc. But have never seen a post about the self discipline needed to be a slot machine pro. Grinding slots is a different grind, because you can legit be grinding 12 or more hours a day walking around a casino all day. That’s not just physically exhausting, but it’s very mentally exhausting because how boring it can get just walking around all day looking for plays.
Counting cards, you usually don’t grind for more than a few hours in one place and then you get out and hit a different casino and have a change of environment. You don’t really have temptations to gamble on something that’s negative EV, because you have to play perfect basic strategy no matter what and stick to your guns.
Where as the slot grind, you have temptations all the time to take a play early because you get bored or because you went on a bad down swing, and then you see a real high progressive that “might be worth a shot” , etc
Anyone recommend any books to master self discipline? I keep going tilt at times and taking a gamble on non ap games and do not want to do that anymore, because it can cause some serious damage to your bank roll. I started as a regular recreational gambler around 2017 or so, then found how to beat slots around 2019, but I still go tilt at times and want to prevent that permanently. Some of the guys I know who do slots AP, started as pro poker players so they have had discipline instilled in them. So their discipline what all set when they got in the slot game. So, what books is recommended for a slot hustler to master discipline? If don’t want to disclose here can PM me as well. I will never give up info on a play by the way, I don’t know how slot hustlers do that to this day.
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Excellent post and REALLY encapsulates what Posters were trying to drill into my head around 2018/2019 when I claimed I wanted to be an AP. Posters said something like,"Are you SURE you want to be an AP? Being an AP is VERY serious business and MANY APs haven't seen their children or their spouses in YEARS. An AP said that the LAST time he saw his Daughter, she was TWO. She's now 12 and hasn't seen her Dad in TEN years due to him being an AP. So REALLY think hard if you REALLY want to be an AP because APs go YEARS without seeing their Families." 💡
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From what I have seen, Male Advantage Players tend to spend more time with loved ones than non-Advantage Players.
I keep using the word loved ones because there seems to be a significant deficiency when it comes to comparing the number of children Advantage Players have to most non-Advantage Players. Off the top of my head, and my personal experience, about 1 in 6.5 full-time APs have kids.
Quote: DRichQuote: MathNeverLiesI love my job as a slot pro. I’m not tilting everyday or anything like that. I only tilt maybe 3-4 times a year max, so I am doing very good. I can just be hard on myself and am a perfectionist with certain things.
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The longer you are a pro, the less interesting gambling becomes. I don't find any casino gaming fun anymore so no temptation to play games without an edge.
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I play in casinos for fun. It's fun getting paid to eat there, sleep there, them giving you trinkets, etc.
but My non +EV slot weakness is multipliers.
Currently, it's this game called Terrific Tiger:
It's amazing getting 4x4x4.
Depending the bonus you get, the multiplier type for the entire 10game bonus round is x2, x3, or x4.
Casinos never get boring. New games come often. (Altho lately it's mainly a rehash of Buffalo and Huff Puff)
Why do you find it boring now?
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The longer you are a pro, the less interesting gambling becomes.
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Absolutely right. It's just a job for me now, playing online, I do it without thinking about it. The word fun or interesting never comes up. I cannot imagine going to a brick and mortar casino to have fun. I can't imagine going to a brick and mortar Casino ever again.
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The longer you are a pro, the less interesting gambling becomes.
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Absolutely right. It's just a job for me now, playing online, I do it without thinking about it. The word fun or interesting never comes up. I cannot imagine going to a brick and mortar casino to have fun. I can't imagine going to a brick and mortar Casino ever again.
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For me, the fun part is the preparation and analysis. Coding, and watching an advantage opportunity pop up from of the output. It's like being an architect, with theory and charts and models of a structure.
Then I get to be the guy who goes out and starts digging the foundation and laying the bricks for the structure. Applying the system is a different experience, but that gives me an opportunity for a lot of physical and mental exercise. Not as much fun but it has its rewards.
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For me, the fun part is the preparation and analysis. Coding, and watching an advantage opportunity pop up from of the output. It's like being an architect, with theory and charts and models of a structure.
i agree 100%. I enjoy solving problems relating to gambling but the actual gambling is no longer fun for me. It wasn't always that way, I used to enjoy playing video poker before I learned the math behind it. Once I started reading Lenny Fromme's books and winning at Flush Attack that was pretty much the end of the fun. When I was putting in 20 to 80 hours a week on advantage plays casinos became office buildings and it was just work. I also had the added perspective of working on the casinos computer systems for my 8 to 5 job every week.
A clear mark of demarcation for me was when I hit my first Royal Flush for $50,000 around the year 2000 or so. I was not happy or excited when I hit it, my only thought was "it is about time" and I continued playing for another 5 hours. It was really just an earning hobby for me.
Quote: ChumpChangeHow long does it take to hit a Grand jackpot anyway? 40 hours? You just have to be persistent and have a bankroll and a way to build that bankroll if a lucky streak comes along.
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If you are counting on a lucky streak to increase your bankroll you should not be gambling. The routine rote gambling should be increasing your bankroll if you are playing at an advantage.
