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February 16th, 2025 at 8:49:01 AM permalink
Just trying to figure out how likely to make a living on slot play.

1) take advantage of casino free play offer / comp food / com room from different casinos royalty programs.

Find some suitable games that is able to cash out free plays with better pay rate.

2) find advantage slot games that really Abel to would out
On points accumulation and jackpot payout.

Some game is good for points some games just hunting for potential jackpot.

See some of my test video oct lat year on TikTok as well

/t/ZP8YxHeYx/

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February 16th, 2025 at 9:26:24 AM permalink
What happened to that forum member who claimed it was so easy to win off online slots. The same one who implied that he’d feel down and out and dubious on the whole process when it didn’t work out. He’s been offline for some time!
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February 16th, 2025 at 10:12:26 AM permalink
Quote: Tahoefish

Just trying to figure out how likely to make a living on slot play.

1) take advantage of casino free play offer / comp food / com room from different casinos royalty programs.

Find some suitable games that is able to cash out free plays with better pay rate.

2) find advantage slot games that really Abel to would out
On points accumulation and jackpot payout.

Some game is good for points some games just hunting for potential jackpot.

See some of my test video oct lat year on TikTok as well

/t/ZP8YxHeYx/

fishintahoe
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It can be done, depending on your location. That doesn't mean you will do it. Many people try, and most give up. When I lived in NY, I'd visit Vegas four weeks a year and play BJ 6-8 hours every day. When I moved there, I got bored with it.
It takes tremendous discipline, and there are other opportunities you should seek out.
For what it's worth- my postings on sites like this lead to being recruited for two teams, both of which opened new doors.
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February 16th, 2025 at 11:33:19 AM permalink
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What happened to that forum member who claimed it was so easy to win off online slots. The same one who implied that he’d feel down and out and dubious on the whole process when it didn’t work out. He’s been offline for some time!
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I am guessing BillRyan is delivering him handouts.
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February 17th, 2025 at 5:01:01 AM permalink
I wrote an article about advantage play at slots, but my conclusion is that most people couldn't make a living at it.
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February 17th, 2025 at 7:49:50 AM permalink
Pick a handful of favorite machines that have bonus rounds and figure out a strategy to beat them. Count on spinning 300 times without a bonus round, but average 50 spins between bonus rounds. Utilize lines, denom, multiplier, and credit meter balance in figuring out what to do. A mild winning streak can put you far ahead in a couple hours. A dark losing streak will take your bankroll away, so be careful. So many YouTube slot players overbet for the camera and get burned.
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February 17th, 2025 at 2:51:47 PM permalink
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I wrote an article about advantage play at slots, but my conclusion is that most people couldn't make a living at it.
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Maybe you are assuming too high of a standard of living. If one couch surfs they could probably live on $10 of untaxed income per day. Water, beans, and rice.
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February 17th, 2025 at 3:04:21 PM permalink
If you bet $10,000 coin-in per day, you might get $25.00 of points which could get you a buffet meal. Good luck cashing out ahead, when the machine is supposed to take at least $1,000 from you.
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February 17th, 2025 at 4:17:57 PM permalink
Opportunities definitely still exist, but they might require you to go further afield. I cracked a route that has a pretty stiff series of prerequisites that has been working fine for the last few months... It's very much off the beaten path, and exploits a series of angles, which is why I suspect it's lasting as long as it is, even with people utilizing a similar but less efficient route.

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February 17th, 2025 at 4:27:42 PM permalink
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I wrote an article about advantage play at slots, but my conclusion is that most people couldn't make a living at it.
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Maybe you are assuming too high of a standard of living. If one couch surfs they could probably live on $10 of untaxed income per day. Water, beans, and rice.
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I think your $10/day figure is low.
Beans and rice are going up in price, and you probably need another $2/day to keep the prepaid phone going.
$20/day may be reasonable for such subsistence, but plan on doubling that (at least!) if you are trying to build a bankroll by saving winnings in excess of the subsistence cost.

If you've run out of couches to surf, things get exponentially more expensive.
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February 17th, 2025 at 5:40:04 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

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I wrote an article about advantage play at slots, but my conclusion is that most people couldn't make a living at it.
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Maybe you are assuming too high of a standard of living. If one couch surfs they could probably live on $10 of untaxed income per day. Water, beans, and rice.
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One of the guys I feed collects 400 cans a day. He has two Jack in the box tacos for breakfast and a Mcdonald's $5 meal for dinner. He won't panhandle and it takes half the day to get the cans. He is just happy not to be living in Guatemala City. Sometimes, he takes a bag of food, but usually, he'll take a banana and whatever fruit I might have. I've given him some hats and socks, but he didn't want any blankets, so I suppose he has a place to sleep.
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February 18th, 2025 at 6:59:26 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

Quote: MichaelBluejay

I wrote an article about advantage play at slots, but my conclusion is that most people couldn't make a living at it.
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Maybe you are assuming too high of a standard of living. If one couch surfs they could probably live on $10 of untaxed income per day. Water, beans, and rice.
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I am assuming people who say this have been fortunate enough never to have been poor.

in actuality you need a bunch of things to survive on a daily basis other than food. At some point you are going to have to buy shoes or pay for some medicine or one of a hundred other things. Subsistence income is a lot more than people think for the simple reason it includes a whole bunch of one-off expenses.
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February 18th, 2025 at 7:35:21 AM permalink
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Quote: DRich

Quote: MichaelBluejay

I wrote an article about advantage play at slots, but my conclusion is that most people couldn't make a living at it.
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Maybe you are assuming too high of a standard of living. If one couch surfs they could probably live on $10 of untaxed income per day. Water, beans, and rice.
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I am assuming people who say this have been fortunate enough never to have been poor.

in actuality you need a bunch of things to survive on a daily basis other than food. At some point you are going to have to buy shoes or pay for some medicine or one of a hundred other things. Subsistence income is a lot more than people think for the simple reason it includes a whole bunch of one-off expenses.
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Sure, if you want to live the high life. At Walmart you can get a 48 pack of Ramen for $15 and a 20lb bag of rice for $11, That should be enought to feed yourself for a month for $26. That would leave plenty of money from your $10 a day to buy used clothing and other frivolous stuff.
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February 18th, 2025 at 7:38:05 AM permalink
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I think your $10/day figure is low.
Beans and rice are going up in price, and you probably need another $2/day to keep the prepaid phone going.
$20/day may be reasonable for such subsistence, but plan on doubling that (at least!) if you are trying to build a bankroll by saving winnings in excess of the subsistence cost.

If you've run out of couches to surf, things get exponentially more expensive.



If you have a phone you are living way above what I consider subsisting. Rice $11 for 20lb and Ramen 48 packs for $15. that would feed anyone for a month.
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February 18th, 2025 at 7:54:57 AM permalink
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I think your $10/day figure is low.
Beans and rice are going up in price, and you probably need another $2/day to keep the prepaid phone going.
$20/day may be reasonable for such subsistence, but plan on doubling that (at least!) if you are trying to build a bankroll by saving winnings in excess of the subsistence cost.

If you've run out of couches to surf, things get exponentially more expensive.



If you have a phone you are living way above what I consider subsisting. Rice $11 for 20lb and Ramen 48 packs for $15. that would feed anyone for a month.
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You very quickly go nutrient deficient on that diet. A 25 cent multivitamin a day will help significantly.
It is simply not possible to live in modern society without some kind of smartphone. You'll need it to arrange transport, finance, and likely redeem freeplay offers to make your few dollars a day.

This brings up the usual opportunity to link: https://paulgraham.com/ramenprofitable.html , and the rice & beans recipe at the bottom. You do have to have infrastructure to be able to pull this off; a rice cooker, a way to power it, clean potable water, and preferably a way to clean the equipment and utensils after the fact. That infrastructure is not free, even if you are mooching off someone else's.
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February 18th, 2025 at 8:16:02 AM permalink
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You very quickly go nutrient deficient on that diet. A 25 cent multivitamin a day will help significantly.
It is simply not possible to live in modern society without some kind of smartphone. You'll need it to arrange transport, finance, and likely redeem freeplay offers to make your few dollars a day.

This brings up the usual opportunity to link: https://paulgraham.com/ramenprofitable.html , and the rice & beans recipe at the bottom. You do have to have infrastructure to be able to pull this off; a rice cooker, a way to power it, clean potable water, and preferably a way to clean the equipment and utensils after the fact. That infrastructure is not free, even if you are mooching off someone else's.
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Absolutely you will be nutrient deficient eating like that but you can survive. My assumption is that most people that would allow you to couch surf would allow you to use some tap water, a stove and a pan. Again thinking you need a rice cooker makes you entitled in my opinion. I have always made rice in a pot on the stove.
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February 18th, 2025 at 8:23:50 AM permalink
I've lived off nothing per day.

Technically!

Fare beating to sleep on the subway and getting free food from homeless shelters etc. So the cost was supplied or ignored.
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February 18th, 2025 at 10:43:56 AM permalink
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I've lived off nothing per day.

Technically!

Fare beating to sleep on the subway and getting free food from homeless shelters etc. So the cost was supplied or ignored.
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February 18th, 2025 at 10:54:02 AM permalink
You guys all forget living is free … first you steal everything until the people around you Get tired of you. Then once you get caught stealing you are rewarded with a free home, bed, and meals. All of which are free. And even if the jail isn’t free, and they attempt to charge you for staying, they will gladly come back to pick you up and bring you Back for more free stuff for not paying. It’s prettt neat if you ask me.
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February 18th, 2025 at 11:14:46 AM permalink
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I've lived off nothing per day.

Technically!

Fare beating to sleep on the subway and getting free food from homeless shelters etc. So the cost was supplied or ignored.
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And then you get married, and decide to buy ten thousand dollar Chanel coats and million dollar colored diamonds. Life gets more complicated.
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February 18th, 2025 at 11:27:59 AM permalink
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I've lived off nothing per day.

Technically!

Fare beating to sleep on the subway and getting free food from homeless shelters etc. So the cost was supplied or ignored.
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And then you get married, and decide to buy ten thousand dollar Chanel coats and million dollar colored diamonds. Life gets more complicated.
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That doesn't sound like an advantage play to me.
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February 18th, 2025 at 12:44:21 PM permalink
It's the way the world works - spending on family.

Actually you and Dieter are about the only two at this forum who ever mention family. SooPoo too occasionally. Doesn't mean the rest of us don't have any children, but at least I don't choose to discuss that here.
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February 18th, 2025 at 1:02:01 PM permalink
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Just trying to figure out how likely to make a living on slot play.

1) take advantage of casino free play offer / comp food / com room from different casinos royalty programs.

Find some suitable games that is able to cash out free plays with better pay rate.

2) find advantage slot games that really Abel to would out
On points accumulation and jackpot payout.

Some game is good for points some games just hunting for potential jackpot.

See some of my test video oct lat year on TikTok as well

/t/ZP8YxHeYx/

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I USED to make GOOD money by asking random Player's to play on my Player's Club card until one day I accidentally asked the SAME person TWICE to play on my Player's Club card and got a 24 hour ban and perp walked out of the Casino. Nowadays, I make decent money by playing high return games with VERY low money. I recently played a .12 cent bet and won about $200 on Stinkin Rich. So playing low bets and getting high returns is a good way to make decent money at Casinos. 😀
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February 18th, 2025 at 2:27:16 PM permalink
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It's the way the world works - spending on family.

Actually you and Dieter are about the only two at this forum who ever mention family. SooPoo too occasionally. Doesn't mean the rest of us don't have any children, but at least I don't choose to discuss that here.
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You just did.
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February 18th, 2025 at 3:55:10 PM permalink
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It's the way the world works - spending on family.

Actually you and Dieter are about the only two at this forum who ever mention family. SooPoo too occasionally. Doesn't mean the rest of us don't have any children, but at least I don't choose to discuss that here.
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I believe it's traditional to cite an authoritative movie quote on the subject at this point.

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February 18th, 2025 at 5:55:34 PM permalink
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Quote: MichaelBluejay

I wrote an article about advantage play at slots, but my conclusion is that most people couldn't make a living at it.
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Maybe you are assuming too high of a standard of living. If one couch surfs they could probably live on $10 of untaxed income per day. Water, beans, and rice.
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I am assuming people who say this have been fortunate enough never to have been poor.

in actuality you need a bunch of things to survive on a daily basis other than food. At some point you are going to have to buy shoes or pay for some medicine or one of a hundred other things. Subsistence income is a lot more than people think for the simple reason it includes a whole bunch of one-off expenses.
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Sure, if you want to live the high life. At Walmart you can get a 48 pack of Ramen for $15 and a 20lb bag of rice for $11, That should be enought to feed yourself for a month for $26. That would leave plenty of money from your $10 a day to buy used clothing and other frivolous stuff.
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Are you planning on carrying the twenty-pound bag of rice with you? One of the biggest problems the homeless have is thefts by other homeless.Unless you are the baddest gut on the block, you'll have to share the rice and ramen.
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February 18th, 2025 at 8:03:59 PM permalink
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Quote: MichaelBluejay

I wrote an article about advantage play at slots, but my conclusion is that most people couldn't make a living at it.
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Maybe you are assuming too high of a standard of living. If one couch surfs they could probably live on $10 of untaxed income per day. Water, beans, and rice.
link to original post



I am assuming people who say this have been fortunate enough never to have been poor.

in actuality you need a bunch of things to survive on a daily basis other than food. At some point you are going to have to buy shoes or pay for some medicine or one of a hundred other things. Subsistence income is a lot more than people think for the simple reason it includes a whole bunch of one-off expenses.
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Sure, if you want to live the high life. At Walmart you can get a 48 pack of Ramen for $15 and a 20lb bag of rice for $11, That should be enought to feed yourself for a month for $26. That would leave plenty of money from your $10 a day to buy used clothing and other frivolous stuff.
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So as a $10/day earner, how long do I go without food until I have enough to to spend $26 on my monthly allotment of food (assuming I don’t need to wait for a ride to the nearest Walmart for such an excellent deal)?
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February 19th, 2025 at 7:40:29 AM permalink
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I wrote an article about advantage play at slots, but my conclusion is that most people couldn't make a living at it.



to paraphrase one of the most influential tips I've hear: the best way to make $100,000 at the casino is to find a way to make $10,000 10 different ways (and if that fails, find a way to make $5,000 20 different ways). Slot play might not pay a living wage, but there are also table games and sports and poker and comps and promotions. . . And even those can be categorized into different bets or overlapping bets, like instead of "slots", it can be 99.7% VP at one casino and betting must-hit-by progressives at another.

It's like saying a 7-11 can't survive selling just Big Gulps and a florist can't make an annual salary on Valentine's Day. Like slots, it's a part of total revenue.
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February 19th, 2025 at 8:20:22 AM permalink
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I wrote an article about advantage play at slots, but my conclusion is that most people couldn't make a living at it.



to paraphrase one of the most influential tips I've hear: the best way to make $100,000 at the casino is to find a way to make $10,000 10 different ways (and if that fails, find a way to make $5,000 20 different ways). Slot play might not pay a living wage, but there are also table games and sports and poker and comps and promotions. . . And even those can be categorized into different bets or overlapping bets, like instead of "slots", it can be 99.7% VP at one casino and betting must-hit-by progressives at another.

It's like saying a 7-11 can't survive selling just Big Gulps and a florist can't make an annual salary on Valentine's Day. Like slots, it's a part of total revenue.
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Multiple revenue streams certainly make life easier.
My friend Al opened a tire shop. He noticed his employees buying multiple sodas at the deli down the block. He put in a soda machine, charged a quarter less than the deli and it turned into a nice profit center. I've heard him claim the machine paid for his house, but he's never shared the details.
Some of my income streams are under a hundred dollars a month, but they are permanent and, over time, add up to tens of thousands.
Years ago, I met a guy in the Gold Coast parking lot. He picked up free booklets from somewhere that had about $60 worth of coupons and sold them for $5 or 3 for $10. I don't know if it was his only source of income, but I'd think he made a few hundred a month.
Vegas is a great place for someone willing to hustle and with the ability to seek out opportunity.
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February 21st, 2025 at 12:37:18 AM permalink
with enough knowledge, adequate bankroll management, PATIENCE and enough traffic at the casino making $50 per day could be done at most casinos off of just games whose bankroll would only require say $300 or less while maintaining a very very low risk of ruin. (assuming 12 hour days total bet over full expected spin cycle under $80 (for example no more than a regal purp at 80c and more focus on say golden egypt, or any of the 10 spin cycle oens). $50 is semi-arbitrary, but definitly multiple times the $10 thrown around above.

The biggest problem that comes up with this is patience.

The level of self control to not play something outside of your bankroll and to not play something at a number that really isn't positive (or positive enough) is the problem.

Now to get free accommodations, you would either have to maintain a car and the ability to travel or move to a place with enough casino brands to spread out where you are staying every 4 nights or so.

Also maintaining enough coin-in for each day to qualify for another 4 set of free room nights is required, so enough play and time at play is a factor.

Calories could be maintained with the free soda/juices given if taken advantage of and if you don't get no-served by being a despicable and not tipping. Though some places just have a soda fountain avaliable...

Also, i thought it was that BROWN rice and PEANUTS are the most cost effective option. Ramen is not too bad but you want to get all those macro nutrients and no sense paying for all that extra salt that will just cause problems...
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February 21st, 2025 at 7:35:17 AM permalink
If anyone here can speak to the topic of living on $10 a day it's MBJ. I don't want to put words in his mouth, but hope he will tell some stories.
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February 21st, 2025 at 8:03:18 AM permalink
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I think your $10/day figure is low.
Beans and rice are going up in price, and you probably need another $2/day to keep the prepaid phone going.
$20/day may be reasonable for such subsistence, but plan on doubling that (at least!) if you are trying to build a bankroll by saving winnings in excess of the subsistence cost.

If you've run out of couches to surf, things get exponentially more expensive.



If you have a phone you are living way above what I consider subsisting. Rice $11 for 20lb and Ramen 48 packs for $15. that would feed anyone for a month.
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Most homeless seem to have smartphones. There are kiosks set up all over town handing out Obama phones.
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February 21st, 2025 at 4:28:58 PM permalink
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Quote: DRich

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Quote: DRich

Quote: MichaelBluejay

I wrote an article about advantage play at slots, but my conclusion is that most people couldn't make a living at it.
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Maybe you are assuming too high of a standard of living. If one couch surfs they could probably live on $10 of untaxed income per day. Water, beans, and rice.
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I am assuming people who say this have been fortunate enough never to have been poor.

in actuality you need a bunch of things to survive on a daily basis other than food. At some point you are going to have to buy shoes or pay for some medicine or one of a hundred other things. Subsistence income is a lot more than people think for the simple reason it includes a whole bunch of one-off expenses.
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Sure, if you want to live the high life. At Walmart you can get a 48 pack of Ramen for $15 and a 20lb bag of rice for $11, That should be enought to feed yourself for a month for $26. That would leave plenty of money from your $10 a day to buy used clothing and other frivolous stuff.
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Are you planning on carrying the twenty-pound bag of rice with you? One of the biggest problems the homeless have is thefts by other homeless.Unless you are the baddest gut on the block, you'll have to share the rice and ramen.
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I believe we were discussing a person that was couch surfing with friends so although they may be homeless, they have certain other advantages.
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February 21st, 2025 at 4:35:25 PM permalink
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I wrote an article about advantage play at slots, but my conclusion is that most people couldn't make a living at it.
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Maybe you are assuming too high of a standard of living. If one couch surfs they could probably live on $10 of untaxed income per day. Water, beans, and rice.
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I am assuming people who say this have been fortunate enough never to have been poor.

in actuality you need a bunch of things to survive on a daily basis other than food. At some point you are going to have to buy shoes or pay for some medicine or one of a hundred other things. Subsistence income is a lot more than people think for the simple reason it includes a whole bunch of one-off expenses.
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Sure, if you want to live the high life. At Walmart you can get a 48 pack of Ramen for $15 and a 20lb bag of rice for $11, That should be enought to feed yourself for a month for $26. That would leave plenty of money from your $10 a day to buy used clothing and other frivolous stuff.
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Are you planning on carrying the twenty-pound bag of rice with you? One of the biggest problems the homeless have is thefts by other homeless.Unless you are the baddest gut on the block, you'll have to share the rice and ramen.
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I believe we were discussing a person that was couch surfing with friends so although they may be homeless, they have certain other advantages.
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Young apartment dwellers rent out their couches these days. $ 100 a week is the minimum donation.
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February 22nd, 2025 at 10:02:36 PM permalink
Based on your username it's safe to assume you're a Tahoe local. I would strongly advise against it. There are not very many AP games at the casinos up there and you will face stiff competition with locals and visitors. At least that was my experience when I visited. On top of that the casinos don't give great offers unless you give a ton of action (which I don't recommend, bad ROI). Hope this helps.
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February 22nd, 2025 at 10:19:36 PM permalink
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Why on earth would you write an article about MC and explaining how it works? What good does that do?
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While I do try to play +EV as much as possible I also think that trying to subsist and live on eking out a small edge is a terrible way to live. More power to those who do, but it also doesn't add anything of value to the world, either. Dealing cards or serving drinks you are making other people happier, driving for Uber or Doordash you are getting people around or delivering food to people. Certainly I get the rush of video poker and slots, and looking at accumulators can kill a bit of time while waiting for something else, but that is beyond a hard way to make a living.
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Why on earth would you write an article about MC and explaining how it works? What good does that do? link to original post

Well, since you need it spelled out for you:

(1) I'm a gambling journalist. It's what I do.

(2) For the general public who thinks there may be a way to easily and lucratively play at slots, I've shown that that's not the case.

(3) I'm not divulging any secrets. The topics in the article have been discussed on this forum (and elsewhere) in detail, just in scattershot fashion. My article brings all the disparate pieces of information into one cohesive place.

No doubt you find my explanation unsatisfying. Fine, feel free not to read my article, or anything else I wrote that may trouble you.
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While I do try to play +EV as much as possible I also think that trying to subsist and live on eking out a small edge is a terrible way to live. More power to those who do, but it also doesn't add anything of value to the world, either. Dealing cards or serving drinks you are making other people happier, driving for Uber or Doordash you are getting people around or delivering food to people.



I have a hard time wrapping my mind around the idea that the dealer taking the bet is helping to create value, but the person making the bet isn't. With bartending, Uber and Doordash, it's clear that both sides gain value from the transactions? Tough to think of other transactions outside of betting where this happens.
 
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Certainly I get the rush of video poker and slots, and looking at accumulators can kill a bit of time while waiting for something else, but that is beyond a hard way to make a living.



I've heard this many times. But I've never heard someone making this claim give an example of jobs that aren't hard. Retail? Food service? Healthcare? Education? Military? Youtuber?
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Why on earth would you write an article about MC and explaining how it works? What good does that do?
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It is called education, the same reason many books are written. Many would argue that education is the best way to advance society.
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February 23rd, 2025 at 8:49:23 AM permalink
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While I do try to play +EV as much as possible I also think that trying to subsist and live on eking out a small edge is a terrible way to live. More power to those who do, but it also doesn't add anything of value to the world, either. Dealing cards or serving drinks you are making other people happier, driving for Uber or Doordash you are getting people around or delivering food to people.



I have a hard time wrapping my mind around the idea that the dealer taking the bet is helping to create value, but the person making the bet isn't. With bartending, Uber and Doordash, it's clear that both sides gain value from the transactions? Tough to think of other transactions outside of betting where this happens.
 
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Certainly I get the rush of video poker and slots, and looking at accumulators can kill a bit of time while waiting for something else, but that is beyond a hard way to make a living.



I've heard this many times. But I've never heard someone making this claim give an example of jobs that aren't hard. Retail? Food service? Healthcare? Education? Military? Youtuber?
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Most jobs with a company come with benefits- sick days, vacation days, health insurance, 401s, or, at a minimum, matching Social Security payments. Since you mentioned the military, they provide free room and board for junior enlisted, provide health care for the member and their family, give 30 days vacation in your first year, have a fantastic retirement plan( half pay after twenty years), and will pay for your continuing education. Completing your obligation entitles you to health care for life, and one's veteran status earns you extra points on most civil service tests and preferred hiring at thousands of companies.
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February 23rd, 2025 at 8:57:07 AM permalink
You're just talking about compensation. A common reason it is that high, like in the case of service members, is because it is a hard job.
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the paradox is: if more people think betting for income is hard, then it becomes easier. If more people think it is easy to do, then it becomes much harder.
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February 23rd, 2025 at 9:26:14 AM permalink
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While I do try to play +EV as much as possible I also think that trying to subsist and live on eking out a small edge is a terrible way to live. More power to those who do, but it also doesn't add anything of value to the world, either. Dealing cards or serving drinks you are making other people happier, driving for Uber or Doordash you are getting people around or delivering food to people.



I have a hard time wrapping my mind around the idea that the dealer taking the bet is helping to create value, but the person making the bet isn't. With bartending, Uber and Doordash, it's clear that both sides gain value from the transactions? Tough to think of other transactions outside of betting where this happens.
 
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Certainly I get the rush of video poker and slots, and looking at accumulators can kill a bit of time while waiting for something else, but that is beyond a hard way to make a living.



I've heard this many times. But I've never heard someone making this claim give an example of jobs that aren't hard. Retail? Food service? Healthcare? Education? Military? Youtuber?
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Most jobs with a company come with benefits- sick days, vacation days, health insurance, 401s, or, at a minimum, matching Social Security payments. Since you mentioned the military, they provide free room and board for junior enlisted, provide health care for the member and their family, give 30 days vacation in your first year, have a fantastic retirement plan( half pay after twenty years), and will pay for your continuing education. Completing your obligation entitles you to health care for life, and one's veteran status earns you extra points on most civil service tests and preferred hiring at thousands of companies.
Slot hustlers get an occasional free meal, room and tickets to a show. No paid sick days, vacations, health insurance, or company-funded retirement plan.
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But comp hustling versus the military, generally when I am in hostile territory facing the enemy (security guards) I am not facing grenades and rocket launchers and other stuff designed to kill me.

Plus the "hard boot camp" for hustling is financial and time and thinking. Not situps and running four miles a day and having drill instructors yelling in your face why you should give them a wrap around.

I mean the choice for me was clear since I was 18 which "hard to do" I prefer.

And in my case, the pay is definitely better than service men
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February 23rd, 2025 at 2:11:12 PM permalink
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But comp hustling versus the military, generally when I am in hostile territory facing the enemy (security guards) I am not facing grenades and rocket launchers and other stuff designed to kill me.



You do realize that the majority of U.S. military personnel never see action.
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February 23rd, 2025 at 4:40:32 PM permalink
Presumably there is a part of being in the military of serving your country that may appeal to people. It is always good to be working for a greater accomplishment or goal. The dealer at the casino at least are in the mission of entertaining their guests and facilitating a fair game of chance, minus the house edge. Casino gambling is basically a zero sum game, and the AP is just trying to get more than the normal share. The ditch digger or restroom cleaner adds more value to society than the full time AP. The APs that are counting cards at least have the argument that they are making the rich casino a little less richer by taking away the house edge.

For slot hustlers, they really are taking away bonuses from other players, since the casino house edge over the long run is the same. Now, if someone leaves a machine in a positive state, it's the equivalent to the 80 cent tickets left over at cash out - something that they did voluntarily, I have no issues collecting that much like the guy who leaves their cans in a bag for someone to pick up and sell. But the slot hustlers get the bad rap when they hover over machines, blow smoke in other gamblers, refuse to give distance when asked to leave - to say nothing of the people who talk to people on Ultimate X machines and the like giving them false information. At least the hookers who chat you up are offering something of value, poor as it may be. And picking up cans at least has the benefit of cleaning up litter and conserving resources, unlike the slot machine "can collectors" who are roaming around to pick up a few bucks of EV. I suppose at least they aren't sedentary, although they are severely underpaid for suffering through all that second hand smoke and loud music.
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February 23rd, 2025 at 5:05:46 PM permalink
How someone makes their money is not their only value to society. If I won $100,000 and donated half to programs for the poor, how many ditch diggers am I now worth?
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February 23rd, 2025 at 7:15:41 PM permalink
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Why on earth would you write an article about MC and explaining how it works? What good does that do? link to original post

Well, since you need it spelled out for you:

(1) I'm a gambling journalist. It's what I do.

(2) For the general public who thinks there may be a way to easily and lucratively play at slots, I've shown that that's not the case.

(3) I'm not divulging any secrets. The topics in the article have been discussed on this forum (and elsewhere) in detail, just in scattershot fashion. My article brings all the disparate pieces of information into one cohesive place.

No doubt you find my explanation unsatisfying. Fine, feel free not to read my article, or anything else I wrote that may trouble you.
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Thank you for the misplaced condescension, much appreciated. I’m guessing you have no financial stake in MC so you couldn’t care less if that’s the next thing to get broadcasted to the general public like slots have been. I’ll just say that a vast majority have no business learning about MC because they don’t understand tact or nuance and leave it at that.
Also, I’m writing a gambling related post on a public forum, guess I’m a gambling journalist too!
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I wrote an article about advantage play at slots, but my conclusion is that most people couldn't make a living at it.
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Why on earth would you write an article about MC and explaining how it works? What good does that do?
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It is called education, the same reason many books are written. Many would argue that education is the best way to advance society.
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Thank you for adding nothing to the discussion while completely missing the point. WOV’s resident Mensa member!
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I wrote an article about advantage play at slots, but my conclusion is that most people couldn't make a living at it.
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Why on earth would you write an article about MC and explaining how it works? What good does that do?
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It is called education, the same reason many books are written. Many would argue that education is the best way to advance society.
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Thank you for adding nothing to the discussion while completely missing the point. WOV’s resident Mensa member!
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