Which game caused Bob Dancer to lose 27K in one day?
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November 23rd, 2024 at 4:24:42 PM
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In Bob Dancer’s recent blog, he mentioned he played a so-called advantage slot game but he lost 27K after playing it for 18 hours like a dummy.
I’m wondering which game sucked his mind and money…
I’m wondering which game sucked his mind and money…
November 23rd, 2024 at 9:55:55 PM
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Quote: szaIn Bob Dancer’s recent blog, he mentioned he played a so-called advantage slot game but he lost 27K after playing it for 18 hours like a dummy.
I’m wondering which game sucked his mind and money…
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Personal insult. Three days. Bob Dancer is a member here.
However, I'd be interested too. Can anyone link to the story?
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
November 24th, 2024 at 5:22:17 AM
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Quote: szaIn Bob Dancer’s recent blog, he mentioned he played a so-called advantage slot game but he lost 27K after playing it for 18 hours like a dummy.
I’m wondering which game sucked his mind and money…
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Losing $27k in a day is much less than I would think his worst day would be. The stakes he played gave such high variance and volatility.
I had my stop loss at $10k per day and I didn't play the high denomination games Bob played.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
November 24th, 2024 at 6:40:06 AM
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Quote: WizardQuote: szaIn Bob Dancer’s recent blog, he mentioned he played a so-called advantage slot game but he lost 27K after playing it for 18 hours like a dummy.
I’m wondering which game sucked his mind and money…
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Personal insult. Three days. Bob Dancer is a member here.
However, I'd be interested too. Can anyone link to the story?
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Is there a way to reverse Sza's Suspension? It seems he didn't KNOW that Bob Dancer is a Member here. Heck, even I didn't know Bob Dancer was a Member here until your post. 💡 I remember someone on here saying an insulting thing about Slot Lady , a Member in Good Standing and getting a Suspension for insulting her. Slot Lady hadn't visited in about FOUR YEARS when the Poster made the insulting post about her. I think that Poster didn't even KNOW she was EVER a Member on here. 💡
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November 24th, 2024 at 9:02:25 AM
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My guess is that it is likely some game with a terrible base schedule but with a lucrative progressive. There have been a few times here when people have talked about similar games. Like the sequential Royal game that was something like 92% payback if you exclude the sequential Royal but like 107% when accounting for the sequential Royal.
Personally, I’ve been down over $200 (maybe $300) on quarter 10/7 double bonus. It’s nominally positive EV. Being down $300 is 240 units. If you’re playing that at a $100 denom, you get to $24,000 loss. I may be doing the math wrong somewhere but I’m also surprised BD didn’t have much bigger swings. Maybe he meant most amount down that he walked away from (not interim session low before coming back)? In any case sounds like an interesting story.
Personally, I’ve been down over $200 (maybe $300) on quarter 10/7 double bonus. It’s nominally positive EV. Being down $300 is 240 units. If you’re playing that at a $100 denom, you get to $24,000 loss. I may be doing the math wrong somewhere but I’m also surprised BD didn’t have much bigger swings. Maybe he meant most amount down that he walked away from (not interim session low before coming back)? In any case sounds like an interesting story.
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November 26th, 2024 at 1:27:54 AM
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My question is why is Bob Dancer taking on so much risk in his retirement? I imagine he can’t easily make 27k back at his age. RIP.
Yikes, as of July 1 this year it appears he’s down 150k for the year from video poker alone (source Las Vegas Advisor). I hope it’s just a case of bad variance. That’s a lot of money!
Yikes, as of July 1 this year it appears he’s down 150k for the year from video poker alone (source Las Vegas Advisor). I hope it’s just a case of bad variance. That’s a lot of money!
November 26th, 2024 at 6:00:36 AM
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Quote: TinManMy guess is that it is likely some game with a terrible base schedule but with a lucrative progressive. There have been a few times here when people have talked about similar games. Like the sequential Royal game that was something like 92% payback if you exclude the sequential Royal but like 107% when accounting for the sequential Royal.
Personally, I’ve been down over $200 (maybe $300) on quarter 10/7 double bonus. It’s nominally positive EV. Being down $300 is 240 units. If you’re playing that at a $100 denom, you get to $24,000 loss. I may be doing the math wrong somewhere but I’m also surprised BD didn’t have much bigger swings. Maybe he meant most amount down that he walked away from (not interim session low before coming back)? In any case sounds like an interesting story.
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Bob lost the money playing slots not video poker. He now plays advantage slots.
50-50-90 Rule: Anytime you have a 50-50 chance of getting something right, there is a 90% probability you'll get it wrong
November 26th, 2024 at 11:38:08 AM
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Quote: Wizard
However, I'd be interested too. Can anyone link to the story?
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Here is the article: https://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/blog/what-it-takes-to-lose/
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November 26th, 2024 at 11:52:05 AM
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He played for 18 hours, and other players definitely saw him.
Given what he said in the blog, my guess he could be trapped by this one - Raise the Sails (https://ggbmagazine.com/article/raise-the-sails/)
This screenshot is for demonstration's purpose. He could be chasing the Gold progressive. Just my guess.
Given what he said in the blog, my guess he could be trapped by this one - Raise the Sails (https://ggbmagazine.com/article/raise-the-sails/)
This screenshot is for demonstration's purpose. He could be chasing the Gold progressive. Just my guess.
December 5th, 2024 at 9:00:15 PM
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Bob should know that chasing progressives is tough, and even more so when the odds of hitting it are opaque compared to video poker.
December 6th, 2024 at 9:12:18 PM
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Stealing an entire article is against the rules here. Deprives the original publisher of potential advertising revenue, but in this case it's even worse: the original article is *paywalled*.Quote: szaHere is the article...
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December 6th, 2024 at 11:03:56 PM
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Quote: MichaelBluejayStealing an entire article is against the rules here. Deprives the original publisher of potential advertising revenue, but in this case it's even worse: the original article is *paywalled*.Quote: szaHere is the article...
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I missed that one.
I think a warning is in order for sza.
The link is ok; the screenshot of the article is not.
May the cards fall in your favor.
December 7th, 2024 at 4:12:23 AM
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Quote: MichaelBluejayStealing an entire article is against the rules here. Deprives the original publisher of potential advertising revenue, but in this case it's even worse: the original article is *paywalled*.Quote: szaHere is the article...
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Did you read the article? If so, make sure to forget about it since it's stolen and doesn't align with your morals.
December 7th, 2024 at 4:47:32 AM
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Quote: szaQuote: MichaelBluejayStealing an entire article is against the rules here. Deprives the original publisher of potential advertising revenue, but in this case it's even worse: the original article is *paywalled*.Quote: szaHere is the article...
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Did you read the article? If so, make sure to forget about it since it's stolen and doesn't align with your morals.
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Let not your heart be bothered.
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December 7th, 2024 at 10:14:05 AM
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I'm pretty sure this kind of taunting is against the rules here, too.Quote: szaQuote: MichaelBluejayStealing an entire article is against the rules here. Deprives the original publisher of potential advertising revenue, but in this case it's even worse: the original article is *paywalled*.Quote: szaHere is the article...
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Did you read the article? If so, make sure to forget about it since it's stolen and doesn't align with your morals.
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And for the record, I did not read the article. LVA did steal from me, but I won't respond in kind.
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December 7th, 2024 at 2:12:36 PM
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Quote: MichaelBluejayI'm pretty sure this kind of taunting is against the rules here, too.Quote: szaQuote: MichaelBluejayStealing an entire article is against the rules here. Deprives the original publisher of potential advertising revenue, but in this case it's even worse: the original article is *paywalled*.Quote: szaHere is the article...
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Did you read the article? If so, make sure to forget about it since it's stolen and doesn't align with your morals.
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And for the record, I did not read the article. LVA did steal from me, but I won't respond in kind.
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I like that you will not "get even," with someone who stole from you and are taking the high road instead. 😀💡 You fight fire with WATER, not fire. Water is the true way to fight fire, not more fire. 😀💡
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ingredient, olive oil."-Even Bob, March 27/28th. :D The 2 year war is over! Woo-hoo! :D
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December 7th, 2024 at 2:46:36 PM
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Quote: NathanQuote: MichaelBluejayI'm pretty sure this kind of taunting is against the rules here, too.Quote: szaQuote: MichaelBluejayStealing an entire article is against the rules here. Deprives the original publisher of potential advertising revenue, but in this case it's even worse: the original article is *paywalled*.Quote: szaHere is the article...
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Did you read the article? If so, make sure to forget about it since it's stolen and doesn't align with your morals.
link to original post
And for the record, I did not read the article. LVA did steal from me, but I won't respond in kind.
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I like that you will not "get even," with someone who stole from you and are taking the high road instead. 😀💡 You fight fire with WATER, not fire. Water is the true way to fight fire, not more fire. 😀💡
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You do know not to throw water on a grease fire, right? The best way to fight a fire is to deprive it of fuel and oxygen.
WATER is not the true way to fight fire. Most fires you might encounter are grease or electrical and water will be as effective as gasoline.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
December 7th, 2024 at 9:03:00 PM
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Quote: MichaelBluejayI'm pretty sure this kind of taunting is against the rules here, too.
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Taunting? You must have a seriously dark soul to think a stoic sentence is taunting. You are just ridiculous.
December 7th, 2024 at 10:28:25 PM
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Mods, how much more are you gonna let this guy get away with?
In any event, sza blocked.
In any event, sza blocked.
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December 8th, 2024 at 5:19:26 AM
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Quote: billryanQuote: NathanQuote: MichaelBluejayI'm pretty sure this kind of taunting is against the rules here, too.Quote: szaQuote: MichaelBluejayStealing an entire article is against the rules here. Deprives the original publisher of potential advertising revenue, but in this case it's even worse: the original article is *paywalled*.Quote: szaHere is the article...
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Did you read the article? If so, make sure to forget about it since it's stolen and doesn't align with your morals.
link to original post
And for the record, I did not read the article. LVA did steal from me, but I won't respond in kind.
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I like that you will not "get even," with someone who stole from you and are taking the high road instead. 😀💡 You fight fire with WATER, not fire. Water is the true way to fight fire, not more fire. 😀💡
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You do know not to throw water on a grease fire, right? The best way to fight a fire is to deprive it of fuel and oxygen.
WATER is not the true way to fight fire. Most fires you might encounter are grease or electrical and water will be as effective as gasoline.
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I was thinking more along the lines of firefighters putting out fires with high pressure water. 😀💡
In both The Hunger Games and in gambling, may the odds be ever in your favor. :D
"Man Babes" #AxelFabulous
"Olive oil is processed but it only has one
ingredient, olive oil."-Even Bob, March 27/28th. :D The 2 year war is over! Woo-hoo! :D
I sometimes speak in metaphors. ;) Remember this. ;)
Crack the code. :D 8.9.13.25.14.1.13.5.9.19.14.1.20.8.1.14! :D
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December 8th, 2024 at 7:24:04 AM
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Quote: MichaelBluejayMods, how much more are you gonna let this guy get away with?
In any event, sza blocked.
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Now that’s what I call taunting… Du-u-uh!
It’s a dog eat dog world.
…Or maybe it’s the other way around!
December 8th, 2024 at 4:02:51 PM
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Thank you for blocking me.Quote: MichaelBluejayIn any event, sza blocked.
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Your comment was the starting point for the conversation diverging from the main topic. I apologize to everyone for allowing such a person to enter the conversation, and I hope we can now focus on the main topic.
December 8th, 2024 at 4:06:41 PM
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Here is the article: https://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/blog/what-it-takes-to-lose/
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Here is the summary of the article
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Article "summary" removed by moderator for being too close to the original and in violation of the spirit of rule 2. sza is issued a formal warning to not do it again.
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December 9th, 2024 at 1:22:04 PM
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Quote: sza
You must have a seriously dark soul to think a stoic sentence is taunting.
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Personal insult. Per the Martingale -- seven days.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
December 10th, 2024 at 1:28:35 PM
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Quote: Roberto21My question is why is Bob Dancer taking on so much risk in his retirement? I imagine he can’t easily make 27k back at his age. RIP.
Yikes, as of July 1 this year it appears he’s down 150k for the year from video poker alone (source Las Vegas Advisor). I hope it’s just a case of bad variance. That’s a lot of money!
$150 K is not a great sum of money to a lot of people
a great many people will make much more than $27K in the stock market on just one good day
the stock market has been on a tear for 11 of the last 12 years (except for 2020 - Covid)
if Dancer has invested there which is likely he could easily be worth $ millions
a quick google search indicated there are about 22 million millionaires in America at this time - see link - multi year chart of Dow Jones Industrial Average
https://www.macrotrends.net/1358/dow-jones-industrial-average-last-10-years
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December 10th, 2024 at 2:06:46 PM
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Quote: lilredroosterQuote: Roberto21My question is why is Bob Dancer taking on so much risk in his retirement? I imagine he can’t easily make 27k back at his age. RIP.
Yikes, as of July 1 this year it appears he’s down 150k for the year from video poker alone (source Las Vegas Advisor). I hope it’s just a case of bad variance. That’s a lot of money!
$150 K is not a great sum of money to a lot of people
a great many people will make much more than $27K in the stock market on just one good day
the stock market has been on a tear for 11 of the last 12 years (except for 2020 - Covid)
if Dancer has invested there which is likely he could easily be worth $ millions
a quick google search indicated there are about 22 million millionaires in America at this time - see link - multi year chart of Dow Jones Industrial Average
I wouldn't assume Bob doesn't have a nice nest egg and don't believe he'd be playing with money he needs for other things. He had a bad run of luck, nothing more. I wouldn't be starting any Gofundmes, just yet.
https://www.macrotrends.net/1358/dow-jones-industrial-average-last-10-years
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December 11th, 2024 at 2:12:29 AM
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Quote: szaHe played for 18 hours, and other players definitely saw him.
Given what he said in the blog, my guess he could be trapped by this one - Raise the Sails (https://ggbmagazine.com/article/raise-the-sails/)
This screenshot is for demonstration's purpose. He could be chasing the Gold progressive. Just my guess.
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That’s hilarious! Maybe Bob Dancer and Anthony Curtis chopped the play together haha.
Don’t worry it will only take like 4000 memberships to make that money back.
PS: Raise the sails is a fake AP game.
December 15th, 2024 at 1:36:04 AM
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What do you mean by fake AP game? 🤔
Can you list any others?
Is there a trusted source with all the beatable games? I know the Wizard lists a few.
Can you list any others?
Is there a trusted source with all the beatable games? I know the Wizard lists a few.
December 15th, 2024 at 1:38:31 AM
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Any such list would be quickly outdated.
New games and variants are released quite frequently.
New games and variants are released quite frequently.
May the cards fall in your favor.
December 15th, 2024 at 4:42:42 AM
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I didn't get it. What is the principle and what is the percentage of advantage for the gambler of this game? What was his average bet?
December 15th, 2024 at 5:04:47 AM
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Quote: Roberto21What do you mean by fake AP game? 🤔
Can you list any others?
Is there a trusted source with all the beatable games? I know the Wizard lists a few.
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Raise the sails has no set number that makes anything a play on it. Most AP’s who play it think just because the numbers accumulate on the bronze/silver/gold it can be advantageous.
I’ve seen people take the bronze at 50 and it go to 105 and lose. I’ve also seen people take the silver at 150 and lose. Gold at 200 and also lose. Massive losses.
I put it in the same realm as wolf run eclipse. Only Tweaker’s, new AP’s and gambling addict AP’s even look at those games (Which happens to be most AP’s) thankfully I’m not one of those people.
December 15th, 2024 at 7:43:09 AM
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Quote: DobrijI didn't get it. What is the principle and what is the percentage of advantage for the gambler of this game? What was his average bet?
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Literally all these games are the same. How many spins until an event. How much does the event pay. How much did the house take while getting to the event. If those are unknown numbers, you're gambling not AP'ing.
